[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Stephen]

OK enough with the bickering and insults.

Some interesting views from independent academic research.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/uk-trade-and-th...eaving-the-eu/ [quote]

https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default...jan14-8285.pdf

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Some interesting views from independent academic research.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/uk-trade-and-th...eaving-the-eu/

https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default...jan14-8285.pdf

Not read the PDF yet (in bed on a small tablet) but the first article is quite good. Read a few things by him in the past that have been reasonably accurate in their predictions. Shame he's not giving away his predictions this time but instead giving all sides.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

I haven't though argued to stay or leave.. As with probably 75% of the voters I'm middle of the fence

That's at least the second time you've said that but you always seem to be arguing in favour of staying or prophesying doom if we leave

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

That's at least the second time you've said that but you always seem to be arguing in favour of staying or prophesying doom if we leave

Nope, just trying to be devil's advocate to the majority on here who scream "leave" yet offer no reasons as to why.

I've even argued against Cameron's jungle invasion and Smith's security issues as well as import duty and EU asylum controls.

Not exactly taking any side....yet but if those with a specific choice can explain why then I might just settle in one camp..

[Gavin78]

I'm voting out simple, stuff the facts I don't care. the EU doesn't actually give a damn about the UK they are just make us look like a laughing stock.

The EU reminds me of the con artists at fair grounds trying to suck you in to throw the hoop over the square to win the £50 prize knowing that the square is way too big for the the hoop.

Just look at the Euro Vision they all look after each other can you imagine the conversations behind closed doors of the other member states talking about the UK and Cameron.

[Matth]

BoJo's nailed his colours to the mast, at last... is he the big beast that the out campaign needs?

As for the whole debate, this sums it up nicely...
https://youtu.be/GiPe1OiKQuk

Boris has single handled managed to causing a big drop in the pound: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...rexit-campaign

So it's no small thing he has joined the Out campaign.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there..

Someone needs to tell Iceland and Lichtenstein they aren't in the EFTA, and needs to tell the EFTA that they aren't by default in the EEA even though it was built to combine EEC and EFTA if this is the case.

The customs union doesn't include the EFTA nations but does include Turkey, San Marino, Monaco and Andorra. These guys have free trade with the EU at the cost of not having it with nations outside of the EU.

Obviously nations that want to sell to the customs union would have to comply with EU regulations with regards to the products you sell them. Just as to sell to the USA you'd have to comply with their regulations as far as the products you send them go.

The cool part is that that the ~80% of UK companies that do not export to the EU wouldn't have to comply with EU regulations. They don't have to spend their money trying to keep up with much larger companies that can afford compliance departments. Those who do sell only have to ensure the products they are selling comply, not that their entire methods of business do.

We aren't Iceland or Lichtenstein. We aren't Norway and wouldn't be consciously entering into a deal with the intent of minimising transition to full EU membership.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Boris has single handled managed to causing a big drop in the pound: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...rexit-campaign

So it's no small thing he has joined the Out campaign.

May help our exports, and will certainly help my on-call allowance which is paid in US Dollars, a bit

Considering we imported £35 billion more than we exported in 2015, I think the potential increase in imports costs may outweigh your increase in on-call allowance...

Zac Goldsmith, London mayoral candidate, has backed the Leave campaign: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35625097

You have to wonder why he bothered running for Mayor at all. He has apparently been rather withdrawn in the race so far, avoiding doing many campaign events, and now he is backing leaving the EU in one of the most pro-EU parts of the country. EU Citizens can vote for Mayor as well.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Zac Goldsmith, London mayoral candidate, has backed the Leave campaign: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35625097

You have to wonder why he bothered running for Mayor at all. He has apparently been rather withdrawn in the race so far, avoiding doing many campaign events, and now he is backing leaving the EU in one of the most pro-EU parts of the country. EU Citizens can vote for Mayor as well.

Maybe he's just honest and putting his convictions above his career.

Originally Posted by Osem

Maybe he's just honest and putting his convictions above his career.

Don't run for London Mayor then. There were probably other Tories who could have stood rather than someone who doesn't seem to like campaigning for it and who supports positions that aren't popular in the city he tends to run. The City of London largely supports the European Union, the tech-start ups want to remain and there are considerable amounts of Europeans in the city too.

[heero_yuy]

WHAT PM SAID: “What’s best for Britain is being in a reformed EU. We’ve now got a better deal.”

IS IT TRUE? What deal? A step in the right direction maybe, but even pro-EU Tory MPs admit there was little in it. France’s President Hollande was even more damning: “Just because it lasted a long time doesn’t mean much happened.”

Read more of the critique of Cameron's performance on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Don't run for London Mayor then. There were probably other Tories who could have stood rather than someone who doesn't seem to like campaigning for it and who supports positions that aren't popular in the city he tends to run. The City of London largely supports the European Union, the tech-start ups want to remain and there are considerable amounts of Europeans in the city too.

Lots of City institutions are very concerned about French and German efforts to undermine the financial sector and impose transaction taxes etc. which will make London less competitive.

It's up to him to decide what he stands for isn't it and presumably for those who selected him to have thought about it. If it turns out he's simply calculated wrongly that it'll boost his popularity then that's his tough luck. On the other hand, if he's only now decided (on the basis of the deal Cameron has only just secured) to get out that's fair enough by me. I don't see why any prospective Mayor of London shouldn't be entitled to their own view on this.