Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2011) Vol. II.

[Mobes]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This is what angers me about VM, it has already been stated on DS that Sky offered Atlantic at a reasonable price, but VM said it was expensive.
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Oh right. And who said it was reasonable? Wouldn't have been Sky would it? How do you know how much it was, how much was "reasonable"?

The fact is we dont know how much Sky decided to offer it for but I'm betting it absolutly wasn't reasonable. Sky, from the very beginning, advertised this as SKY EXCLUSIVE. There was no way they were going to let VM get there hands on it for a while so I would imagine "reasonable" was a ridiculous amount just so Sky could have it both ways. 1) Making sure it stayed exclusive and 2) They could say "well we did offer it to VM and they turned it down".

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Originally Posted by howardmicks

Probably not at what vm call reasonable,But what is there excuse for other hd/sd channels (Universal,Disney,ITV,CBS amongst a few )9 months and all we are seeing is sky arts and red button which were all agreed last year in the sale of there channels.I voiced concerns with ceo`s office several months ago when they sold there channels to sky and they assured me that new channels were coming 6 months later where are they ?

Me personally, it was important VM pulles there finger out over "FTA" HD, i.e Channel 5, ITV1, CHannel4HD an they've done that at long last.

But as far as the rest go I would rather wait and VM get the best deal than have to pay extra for them.

Lets not forget VM went to court in order to secure SKy Movies and some Sports HD as they were the channels VM viewers wanted the most. Sky red Button coming, Sky Art HD coming, Film4 HD exclusive...

It;s not as simple as "Oh that channel has started we'd better get it, here's a couple of million" VM are NOT in that position financially.

[howardmicks]

tv take up went up when vm finally listenened to there customers and obtained a number of HD Channels,Now no new channels since.New figures show tv take up down by 70 %.Think the figures speak for thereselves,Tivo aint gonna do it alone and vm dont do something about it they will drop more.Demand,3d and tivo is not gonna keep people content is the key and i cant believe we are now having to start reminding them of this again.

[Lew]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This is what angers me about VM, it has already been stated on DS that Sky offered Atlantic at a reasonable price, but VM said it was expensive.

Really? Stated by whom? By a VM employee? A Sky employee? Some random internet poster?

If it's available for "a reasonable price" then what channel number is it on on BT Vision? TalkTalk TV? Top Up TV? UPC Ireland?

Sky can waffle all they want about how they're willing to let other providers carry the channel but it's plainly obvious that they want to keep it exclusive until it moves to one of their pay-TV packages.

And for what it's worth, while I wouldn't complain if VM were to eventually carry Atlantic, I've looked at the schedule and the only thing on there that interests me is Star Trek and I've seen all of them many times over so I can wait.

[Cozzy]

As Ive said a few times ... TiVo is only ever going to be as good as the content available on it ... yes it has a fancy GUI and maybe more responsive and quicker but at the end of the day it doesnt provide anything new in the way of content (apart from youtube online stuff etc) than the current V+ boxes.

TiVo needs content just like the V+ the only advantage is that TiVo may at some unknown future date have some form of extra subscription content like Lovefilm or Blockbusters but until the extras arrive the VMTV network as a whole needs to keep refreshing its content both from Sky and other providers.

I will wholheartldy agree that this needs to be done sensibly and at sensible costs but it does need to be done and quicker than what they are doing currently.

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by howardmicks

tv take up went up when vm finally listenened to there customers and obtained a number of HD Channels,Now no new channels since.New figures show tv take up down by 70 %.Think the figures speak for thereselves,Tivo aint gonna do it alone and vm dont do something about it they will drop more.Demand,3d and tivo is not gonna keep people content is the key and i cant believe we are now having to start reminding them of this again.

Lets come back to this when the new customer figures come back for this quater and see how that theory pans out, my guess is they maybe up slightly.

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Originally Posted by Cozzy

As Ive said a few times ... TiVo is only ever going to be as good as the content available on it ... yes it has a fancy GUI and maybe more responsive and quicker but at the end of the day it doesnt provide anything new in the way of content (apart from youtube online stuff etc) than the current V+ boxes.

TiVo needs content just like the V+ the only advantage is that TiVo may at some unknown future date have some form of extra subscription content like Lovefilm or Blockbusters but until the extras arrive the VMTV network as a whole needs to keep refreshing its content both from Sky and other providers.

I will wholheartldy agree that this needs to be done sensibly and at sensible costs but it does need to be done and quicker than what they are doing currently.

Cozzy didn't you just get through saying you wont talk about TiVo anymore?
We know, you don't want one, that's fine you don't have to get one.

Also there is new content on TiVo, it gets the full iPlayer content instead of the reduced (about 1/3rd?) content on the V boxes.

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by clinteastman

Lets come back to this when the new customer figures come back for this quater and see how that theory pans out, my guess is they maybe up slightly.

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Cozzy didn't you just get through saying you wont talk about TiVo anymore?
We know, you don't want one, that's fine you don't have to get one.

Also there is new content on TiVo, it gets the full iPlayer content instead of the reduced (about 1/3rd?) content on the V boxes.

They are bound to be up this quarter because of tivo,But clearly that will drop if new content/channels are not aquired.Surely they want customers long time rather than short and new content is needed to keep them hence the drop in figures released today

[Cozzy]

Sorry cant talk about whats not comming soon and not mention content and tivo ... I did say I wont take part in the tivo thread and i wont but I will have my say in other threads.

The full iPlayer is hardly new content ... its available eleswhere ..in fact i could argue that the youtube app is actually a cut down version of the real youtube but i chose not too ... I was just stateing that the whole network needs fresh content and revised content much more regularly than VM have shown willing to do so far , doesnt matter wether its tivo or V+ it needs to be progressively renewed/refreshed or added to or it stagnates and loses customers and revenue.

the full iPlayer is never going to be enough and IMHO cant be classed as new content if its available via many other ways that dont even require a TV... i can even get the iplayer on a media box so its hardly groundbreaking for VM.

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by howardmicks

They are bound to be up this quarter because of tivo,But clearly that will drop if new content/channels are not aquired.Surely they want customers long time rather than short and new content is needed to keep them hence the drop in figures released today

I really don't think most customers are like us lot on here that are all about content, my guess is things like price, reliability and the real big one internet speed are te most important.

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Originally Posted by Cozzy

Sorry cant talk about whats not comming soon and not mention content and tivo ... I did say I wont take part in the tivo thread and i wont but I will have my say in other threads.

The full iPlayer is hardly new content ... its available eleswhere ..in fact i could argue that the youtube app is actually a cut down version of the real youtube but i chose not too ... I was just stateing that the whole network needs fresh content and revised content much more regularly than VM have shown willing to do so far , doesnt matter wether its tivo or V+ it needs to be progressively renewed/refreshed or added to or it stagnates and loses customers and revenue.

the full iPlayer is never going to be enough and IMHO cant be classed as new content if its available via many other ways that dont even require a TV... i can even get the iplayer on a media box so its hardly groundbreaking for VM.

It's new content to the VM platform, when you say new do you mean exclusive?

PS. I was pulling your leg about the not talking about TiVo but forgot the !

[Cozzy]

Technically iPlayer is not new to the platform ... as its been available for months using VM BB ..

no i didnt mean exclusive just that its available through VM by other means therefore not new to VM and partially available through STB much like the youtube content is partially available on the Tivo but wholly available through BB on VM.

While I dont expect a great exodus away from VMTV there will be a drip leak away which could grow as all leaks do if not fixed. Many people will fall for Skys blurb about having more channels and cheaper and in HD with free BB and all that jazz wether its true or not. Its a matter of how people perceve and interpret the fact Sky have XYZ channels @ £100 to VMs YZ for the same money and Sky throw in free BB where VM charge uber£'s for the same thing.

I dont think average Joe Blogs looks at BB reliability because if they did Talk Talk wouldnt exist , but the fact people get cheap calls and free/cheap BB from Talk Talk means its one of the biggest and I think average Joe Blogs approaches subscription TV in a similar fashion ... its what you get for your £ and freebies that turns Joe Blogs head.

All of course IMO and loads will disagree ... now crossing fingers that all made sense as it did when i typed it

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by Cozzy

Technically iPlayer is not new to the platform ... as its been available for months using VM BB ..

no i didnt mean exclusive just that its available through VM by other means therefore not new to VM and partially available through STB much like the youtube content is partially available on the Tivo but wholly available through BB on VM.

While I dont expect a great exodus away from VMTV there will be a drip leak away which could grow as all leaks do if not fixed. Many people will fall for Skys blurb about having more channels and cheaper and in HD with free BB and all that jazz wether its true or not. Its a matter of how people perceve and interpret the fact Sky have XYZ channels @ £100 to VMs YZ for the same money and Sky throw in free BB where VM charge uber£'s for the same thing.

I dont think average Joe Blogs looks at BB reliability because if they did Talk Talk wouldnt exist , but the fact people get cheap calls and free/cheap BB from Talk Talk means its one of the biggest and I think average Joe Blogs approaches subscription TV in a similar fashion ... its what you get for your £ and freebies that turns Joe Blogs head.

All of course IMO and loads will disagree ... now crossing fingers that all made sense as it did when i typed it

Some good points there Cozzy.

[Perfect Choice]

iPlayer is new in so far the general house hold does not have its BB connected to their main TV to view larger content of iPlayer via the Internet. So shall we say a new more convenient access to existing content which otherwise would be on your PC.

As I previously stated, VM need to make sure the gap between them and Sky is not too great, they will never match but the only thing I am concerned about is access to high value and popular TV content.

Sky may have the most channels but are those channels missing from VM of high enough value to be of importance to the general public to decide their supplier? In some cases yes, some people want every HD channel possible, some want specific specialist channels, etc. VM is not the platform for all.

VM strategy needs to be based on the launch of additional HD channels for which an additional 6 to 10 are fairly obvious gaps to address to make sure VM is not starting to look to far behind Sky on HD. So far we have 2 to come (Sky Arts 1 and 2 HD).

But what could set things going is the use of HD streaming of content via the Tivo Internet port if this can be used to get around traditional TV exclusivity agreements for content.

Personally I also find VM very cost effective, certainly cheaper than Sky for me, I don’t subscribe to Sky Sport/Movies by the way, so a base TV package is very cost effective for me with no extra £10 HD surcharge, etc.

[Sharpy55]

Originally Posted by Lew

Really? Stated by whom? By a VM employee? A Sky employee? Some random internet poster?

If it's available for "a reasonable price" then what channel number is it on on BT Vision? TalkTalk TV? Top Up TV? UPC Ireland?

Sky can waffle all they want about how they're willing to let other providers carry the channel but it's plainly obvious that they want to keep it exclusive until it moves to one of their pay-TV packages.

And for what it's worth, while I wouldn't complain if VM were to eventually carry Atlantic, I've looked at the schedule and the only thing on there that interests me is Star Trek and I've seen all of them many times over so I can wait.

Totally agree! I don't know what the fuss is over Sky Atlantic!

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Sharpy55

Totally agree! I don't know what the fuss is over Sky Atlantic!

Award winning shows?

[muppetman11]

Months down the line , a lack of sub free PVR on VM could be a wrong decision when V+ is no longer offered to new customers . A brand new customer wanting Sky movies and sports with Sky premium HD would have to pay 3.00 a month for a PVR and 7.00 a month Sky Premium HD , effectively the same as Skys HD charge for less content.

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Award winning shows?

If your not interested in them than all the awards in the world won't change that, but I get your point.