Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I hadn't mentioned it but I did receive an email from a prominent legal expert (whom we all admire) requesting permission to use my section on Copyright, Designs and Patents Act for an upcoming ISPA Legal Forum as he considered it work original to me.

Alexander, if you haven't seen this post on vm.feedback you might enjoy it;

Are VirginMedia still part of the ISPA?

[Oct 2007 ISPA spokesman said] "ISPs cannot monitor or record the type of information passed over their network. ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope. ISPs deal with many more packets of data each day than postal services and data protection legislation actually prevents ISPs from looking at the content of the packets sent," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059881.stm

[April 2008 Richard Clayton, Treasurer, FIPR said] "The Phorm system is highly intrusive -- it's like the Post Office opening all my letters to see what I'm interested in, merely so that I can be sent a better class of junk mail."
http://www.fipr.org/press/080317phorm.html

[AlexanderHanff]

Yeah I read the BBC article when it was published last year, but it is a good point all the same.

Alexander Hanff

[pseudonym]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Alexander, if you haven't seen this post on vm.feedback you might enjoy it;

Are VirginMedia still part of the ISPA?

[Oct 2007 ISPA spokesman said] "ISPs cannot monitor or record the type of information passed over their network. ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope. ISPs deal with many more packets of data each day than postal services and data protection legislation actually prevents ISPs from looking at the content of the packets sent," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059881.stm

[April 2008 Richard Clayton, Treasurer, FIPR said] "The Phorm system is highly intrusive -- it's like the Post Office opening all my letters to see what I'm interested in, merely so that I can be sent a better class of junk mail."
http://www.fipr.org/press/080317phorm.html

Now those would be good quotes to post on file sharing forums, I should think it would encourage bit-torrent users to sign the petition

[Dephormation]

Actually, from that same BBC article I noted this too

"'ISPA does not support abuses of copyright and intellectual property theft', said an ISPA spokesman."

... which doesn't fit well with the parasitic stealing of copyright web pages.

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

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[Oct 2007 ISPA spokesman said] "ISPs cannot monitor or record the type of information passed over their network. ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope. ISPs deal with many more packets of data each day than postal services and data protection legislation actually prevents ISPs from looking at the content of the packets sent," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059881.stm
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This relates to the whole "mere conduit" argument I was referring to a few pages back. The ISPs often quote this kind of argument in reference to filesharing and the RIAA and MPAA etc yet when it comes to Phorm their "mere conduit" argument falls to pieces. They are being hypocritical in the extreme.

[pseudonym]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Actually, from that same BBC article I noted this too

"'ISPA does not support abuses of copyright and intellectual property theft', said an ISPA spokesman."

... which doesn't fit well with the parasitic stealing of copyright web pages.

None the less, the ISPA do seem very enthusiastic about Phorm http://www.nma.co.uk/Logon/ResourceB...icleID%3d37294

[jelv]

Joining BT forums:

I joined using my BT phone account - I am not a BT broadband user. A lot of the forums are specifically to do with phones not broadband.

[SpinyNorman]

Touching on what Dephormation said about ISPA

From the ISPA code of practice
http://www.ispa.org.uk/about_us/page_16.html

4.1 Members shall comply with UK legislation relating to data protection.

so no interception then

4.3 Where Services involve the collection of personal information, such as names and addresses, from individuals (Data Subjects), Members shall make it clear to Data Subjects the purpose for which such information will be used. Members shall also identify the data user (if different from the Member or Data Subject) and give the Data Subject the opportunity to object to such usage where it is not essential for provision of the service.

Now I really don't think Phorm/webwise is essential for provision of service.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by SpinyNorman

Touching on what Dephormation said about ISPA
From the ISPA code of practice
http://www.ispa.org.uk/about_us/page_16.html#Data%20prot

ISPA seem to be struggling with two conflicting corporate personalities at the moment.

Deep Packet Inspection - they can't decide whether they can or can't do it (but it seems that goat has now been ritually sacrificed for greed).

Privacy - they can't decide whether the law applies to them, or doesn't.

Copyright - they do not support copyright and intellectual property theft, but don't think laws of copyright apply to them when they steal web content for profiling

At very least, they are getting some very odd and very inconsistent legal advice.

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by OF1975

I had issues trying to sign up. Maybe due to me using safari. Oh well am sure there are many there trying to take the fight to BT

BT don't like Safari. It doesn't cope with Webwise...

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by R Jones

BT don't like Safari. It doesn't cope with Webwise...

Exactly the reason I am now using safari for the majority of my surfing.

[davethejag]

Hi All, I expect that a lot of you have seen "Phorm" related stuff on YouTube but just in case anybody else would like to look here is the link -
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...m&search_type=
keep up the hard work you lot, you are all just brilliant!

davethejag

[tee cee]

Originally Posted by pseudonym

None the less, the ISPA do seem very enthusiastic about Phorm http://www.nma.co.uk/Logon/ResourceB...icleID%3d37294

That spokesman would be Nicholas Lansman .. long standing PR highflyer who formed a company "Political Intelligence". a lobbying company in Westminster.
BE WARNED ... He has the ear of the govt

tongue forked springs to mind

http://www.britishlivertrust.org.uk/.../trustees.aspx

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Alexander, if you haven't seen this post on vm.feedback you might enjoy it;

[COLOR="Blue"]Are VirginMedia still part of the ISPA?

[Oct 2007 ISPA spokesman said] "ISPs cannot monitor or record the type of information passed over their network. ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope. ISPs deal with many more packets of data each day than postal services and data protection legislation actually prevents ISPs from looking at the content of the packets sent," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059881.stm

And that was also an interesting quote from Lord Triesman, member of the Government
Lord Triesman, the parliamentary Under Secretary for Innovation, Universities and Skills, said intellectual property theft would not be tolerated.

I've given it a whirl on BT Beta forums.
Should we be contacting the Lord Triesman and asking him if he feels just as srongly about Webwise/Phorm?

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by Florence

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this site being hacked again smacks a lot of insider and yes Kent is my number 1 suspect considering it is the only videos of the meeeting and phorm failed to release theirs. I hope the hosting company checks logs and starts to report this to authorities people like them have to learn we will not take this type of ebullying...

I have downloaded all the videos so if anyone wants a copy I can upload and send links over pm

Can't we put the video's youtube? or are they there already?