Coronavirus (OLD)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Unsubstantianted rumours that the CMO Chris Whitty is deeply concerned and as such was advising the prime minister that a short national lockdown might be needed.

Yes. Now making the news:

Second national lockdown proposed by UK scientific advisers

Leading scientists advising the UK government have proposed a two-week national lockdown in October to try to tackle the rising number of coronavirus cases.

The move highlights how Boris Johnson might come under increasing pressure to introduce a second national lockdown, even though he has said he is strongly against such a measure.

Experts on the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (Spi-m) have suggested a national lockdown that could coincide with the October school half-term.

https://www.ft.com/content/77a1e3b6-...f-df19fd22f235

[jfman]

It’s going to be glorious. A little bit of history repeating as the hope in March was to cling on to the Easter holidays.

[Pierre]

We need to see death rates and hospital admission rates first.

The only reason for the initial lockdown was so the NHS was not overwhelmed. Yes we are seeing more CV19 cases, but if hospital admissions are not going up to say, “ amber alert” levels then there is no need for a lockdown.

A rise in recorded infections in itself is not an issue. Perspective is being lost here.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We need to see death rates and hospital admission rates first.

The only reason for the initial lockdown was so the NHS was not overwhelmed. Yes we are seeing more CV19 cases, but if hospital admissions are not going up to say, “ amber alert” levels then there is no need for a lockdown.

A rise in recorded infections in itself is not an issue. Perspective is being lost here.

Those are simply a matter of time. Spain had 239 deaths today. if you’re clinging to Old Boy’s speculation that making a mess of it the first time will benefit us in the long run then you’re both in for a rude awakening.

Tracking and testing has proven insufficient. The Government has lost control of the virus for a second time. The people will be far less forgiving.

The emergency brake is therefore imminent. If only someone could have saw this coming.

Let's wait and see. Having a plan for a national lockdown is prudent but as Pierre said some perspective is needed. I think we can see alarm bells ringing but we're not yet at the point of extreme measures being required.

This is actually where the testing screw up is bad since right now is when we need it. If everyone could get a test when they need it and we could flood problem areas with tests then we could accurately judge the scale of the problem. For the testing system to fail just as the cases rise and schools go back is sort of a perfect storm - not that they're entirely unconnected.

I don't want another national lockdown, it would be so damaging to the economy as well. It really needs to be the last resort.

[jfman]

The economy tanks anyway when the virus is out of control. It can’t be isolated from the health issue. Rational consumers stay home and spend less. The workforce that can work from home will continue to do so if they and their employers have no confidence in the virus response.

The lesson from the first lockdown was it was too late, cost lives and lasted longer as a result. When the virus is doubling every 3-4 days a week is a long time to hesitate. I’d say we aren’t at the 3-4 days stage yet, but we could easily be there with no way of knowing within a couple of weeks with this testing shambles.

The longer it takes to get results the greater the risk of non-compliance.

[1andrew1]

Limited and specific should be the guiding philosophy for our lockdowns and not for our law-breaking.

Originally Posted by Pierre

A rise in recorded infections in itself is not an issue. Perspective is being lost here.

It was lost a long time ago.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Limited and specific should be the guiding philosophy for our lockdowns and not for our law-breaking.

Surely you mean "Difficult and highly exceptional circumstances"?

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Originally Posted by Pierre

We need to see death rates and hospital admission rates first.

The only reason for the initial lockdown was so the NHS was not overwhelmed. Yes we are seeing more CV19 cases, but if hospital admissions are not going up to say, “ amber alert” levels then there is no need for a lockdown.

A rise in recorded infections in itself is not an issue. Perspective is being lost here.

Unfortunately, as hospital admissions and death rates follow on from infection in a 2 to 4 week cycle, and if the infection rate gets back to doubling every 3 or 4 days, by the time you see the effects, it’s too late...

It’s like only applying your brakes after you’ve hit someone, rather than when you saw them beginning to cross the road.

Epidemiologists - what do they know?

[denphone]

Leeds and Lancashire look like they could be in line for the next local coronavirus lockdowns.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-lockdowns

[jfman]

Downing Street press office out warming everyone up to some ideas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54199642

Sorry I meant Laura K.

Hancock on Sky News:

“The number of people in hospital is doubling every eight days or so ... we will do what it takes to keep people safe.”

Let’s wait and see if miracles happen and it goes away by itself.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I have lost count walking around my supermarket where people refuse to wear a mask or wear it under the nose.

Sorry I see no valid reason for someone to be walking next me without a mask possibly spreading this disease.

I have been into a couple of places without a mask, sometimes I didn't have one BUT I looked inside first - no other customers and then asked the store keeper if it was OK - all times it was just popping in for something already decided (this was mostly on way back from beach and seeing icecream shop open - we gave our order that they fetched the goods for us and we paid).

[Sephiroth]

I haven't seen a single mask transgressor at Waitrose Wokingham in all these weeks.

If I can bring myself to do so, I might check out a nearby Aldi and Lidl. Might even bump into OB!

[Julian]

To be fair there are numerous people who are exempt from the mask rules.

4.3 million adults with asthma for example.

[papa smurf]

It might be worth remembering that not everyone has to wear a mask,some people are exempt, so perhaps instead of whining about who isn't wearing one people should mind their own business, just a thought