2015 UK General Election Thread

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Osem

And in more good news for HMG:

What. you think Dave is gonna say this is down to him. or are we expected to say this is down to him?

Labour to Win.
Britain will be Great once again.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Gary L

What. you think Dave is gonna say this is down to him. or are we expected to say this is down to him?

Labour to Win.
Britain will be Great once again.

Like 1979 then? (Sick man of Europe after another failed Labour administration)

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Like 1979 then? (Sick man of Europe after another failed Labour administration)

Since when was Britain great under Labour?? It's laughable but no accident that the usual suspects never learn. Through their failed ideology, social engineering and economic mismanagement Labour have brought this country to its knees more than once. Great again under Labour...

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Osem

Since when was Britain great under Labour?? It's laughable but no accident that the usual suspects never learn. Through their failed ideology, social engineering and economic mismanagement Labour have brought this country to its knees more than once. Great again under Labour...

please tell me who was last government to have unemployment to over 3 million and last one to have 2 recession in there term of power clue not labour

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Dave42

please tell me who was last government to have unemployment to over 3 million and last one to have 2 recession in there term of power clue not labour

Conservatives!

even Osem knows that. but I think he's on commision

http://www.conservativehome.com/plat...o-the-snp.html

Jim Murphy, Charles Kennedy and Douglas Alexander will all lose their seats on current polling.

Originally Posted by Damien

Wales will return some Labour MPs as well. However this is the way our system works. Scotland get representation as well and, let's not kid ourselves, those seats would largely be going to Labour if they weren't going to the SNP.

The SNP isn't the reason the Tories stand to lose. It's the fact the Tories are weaker in England than they should be in order to win an election as well as their historical weaknesses in Wales & Scotland meaning they depend on running up the score in England.

You say the English Tory voters are in the majority but it's a very small majority and they're trounced by the left-wing regions.

I think the Lib Dems sabotaging the long-overdue boundary changes may have something to do with it as well, putting a kibosh on the proposal to have constituencies made up of the same numbers of voters....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Conservatives!

even Osem knows that. but I think he's on commision

For every vote he gets he on a penny in the pound.

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think the Lib Dems sabotaging the long-overdue boundary changes may have something to do with it as well, putting a kibosh on the proposal to have constituencies made up of the same numbers of voters....

It may not have helped but it's not as if the Tories are winning the popular vote either. They are tied or behind Labour on vote share and Labour are only projected to be around 1 to 3 seats ahead of the them. The problem is that to make up the remaining seats the Tories' have few Parliamentary allies.

To put it into perspective Labour are tied with the Tories (on vote share) despite their pending annihilation in Scotland.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by denphone

For every vote he gets he on a penny in the pound.

Dave will give it him in the one hand.

and take it all back and more with the other

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

It may not have helped but it's not as if the Tories are winning the popular vote either. They are tied or behind Labour on vote share and Labour are only projected to be around 1 to 3 seats ahead of the them. The problem is that to make up the remaining seats the Tories' have few Parliamentary allies.

To put it into perspective Labour are tied with the Tories (on vote share) despite their pending annihilation in Scotland.

I think when the stark reality dawns upon them, what a lot of people currently say they're going to do might change significantly, especially if the economic news remains good and there are no major govt. cock ups. The result will be close whatever happens I'm sure and we're in for some turbulent times.

Of course, whatever the result, the usual sad whiners whose lives revolve around blaming everyone else for their problems will carry on doing so rather than looking a little closer to home. That's the easy thing to do after all, much harder to take some responsibility...

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think the Lib Dems sabotaging the long-overdue boundary changes may have something to do with it as well, putting a kibosh on the proposal to have constituencies made up of the same numbers of voters....

This.


Some democracy...

We're well overdue a massive overhaul of the whole politics/electioneering process, we're no longer a 19th Century model, two main parties with massively differing ideologies is no longer pertinent, nor is the TPTP system, come to that with abysmal voting turnout, maybe time to look at on-line voting too.

All of these changes are needed, I'm not holding my breath that they'll happen any time soon though.

Lib Dems tantrum on the boundary changes though, really was a backward step. - cnuts.

Originally Posted by techguyone

This.


Some democracy...

We're well overdue a massive overhaul of the whole politics/electioneering process, we're no longer a 19th Century model, two main parties with massively differing ideologies is no longer pertinent, nor is the TPTP system, come to that with abysmal voting turnout, maybe time to look at on-line voting too.

All of these changes are needed, I'm not holding my breath that they'll happen any time soon though.

Lib Dems tantrum on the boundary changes though, really was a backward step. - cnuts.

Well the Liberal Democrats did want Lords Reform but the Tories blocked that too. It was a bit of a tat-for-tat there.

Still if you look at the polling and the projected seat share I don't see much evidence that this is the reason the Tories are suffering. It depends on what projection you use, some take into account the polls of marginals by Ashford, but in pretty much all cases there is a rough correspondence between vote share and seats. Scotland going to the SNP has muted Labour's electoral advantage a bit.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oll-projection

So here the Tories have a lead of 0.2% and are 2 seats behind Labour. This is too close to put down to boundaries.

It will be an issue if Labour build a lead as they need less of an overall share to secure a majority but at the the moment it's so close that at handful of voters in a few consistencies could swing it either way.

Sorry but if you look at the polls and projections the reason why the Tories are odds on to be in opposition this time next month is thus:

1) UKIP depressing Tory support in England.
2) Wales & Scotland being overwhelmingly learning to the left.

It's simple. The Tories need to run up the score in England to balance out their weaknesses outside of it. They're failing to do this. It isn't the fault of the boundaries, it isn't the fault of the SNP, it's their fault. They have, imo, a decent enough record over the last 5 years to be given another 5 years but they've failed to convince people of that.

Incidentally I agree the voting system is broken. I think for the sake of our politics and the Union as a whole we need to changing our voting system. I don't see the legitimacy of a system where UKIP could get 15% of the vote to the Liberal Democrats' 8% and have a fraction of the seats. That's probably a different topic however.

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Originally Posted by Osem

I think when the stark reality dawns upon them, what a lot of people currently say they're going to do might change significantly, especially if the economic news remains good and there are no major govt. cock ups. The result will be close whatever happens I'm sure and we're in for some turbulent times.

Of course, whatever the result, the usual sad whiners whose lives revolve around blaming everyone else for their problems will carry on doing so rather than looking a little closer to home. That's the easy thing to do after all, much harder to take some responsibility...

I thought this for a while too. Economic good. Why risk it?

Yet the polls don't budge! Still I think we will see huge tactical voting this election. In Scotland we may well see Unionists across the country voting to stop the SNP as best they can. We're talking Conservatives voting for Labour, Labour supporters voting for Tories. Jim Murphy might lose this seat. Douglas Alexander too. I suspect Tories will hold their noise and vote for them instead. The rival to Douglas Alexander is a 20 year old SNP candidate.

I think the Tories are trying to help Clegg out as well. He might lose his seat to Labour. This is one less seat for a Tory-Liberal coalition but also Clegg is more receptive to the Tories than a lot of candidates to replace him. The Tories need Clegg to hold his seat.

Hell I think the Tories and Dems should agree a pact whereby they pull support and resources from candidates where their own candidates aren't competitive but the other party is competing with Labour for it.

[Gary L]

Dave isn't interested in the normal person.
Dave isn't going to do what he didn't do in the last 5 years. what he says he's going to do if you forgive him and give him another 5 years.

in the last 5 years he's been concentrating on making the rich richer. and the poor poorer.
now he's pretending that he's on your side. and is asking you to give him another 5 years to help you.
but really he just wants another 5 years of making the rich richer. and the poor even poorer.

he's telling you stuff that he's going to do to help you. which you have to ask why couldn't he do in the last 5 years he's had?
is he lying to you?
yes he is.

Vote Labour.
get rid of the toff in a suit that only has his rich friends interests in mind.

That was a party election broadcast by the Get Dave Out Party.

[Pierre]

The way I see it, the Tories won the most seats last time. I can't see how they would lose any of those votes this time out.

Considering the seats Labour could lose in Scotland, I can't see them getting more seats than the Tories.

I think SNP & UKIP won't do nearly as well as they think they will.

I have confidence that there are more sensible people in this country than knob heads.

I forecast a slim Tory majority, or another ConDem coalition, because I think the Tories will win more seats and the LibDems will still have just enough to top the balance.