Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2011) Vol. II.

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This is what angers me about VM, it has already been stated on DS that Sky offered Atlantic at a reasonable price, but VM said it was expensive.

VM cannot expect to get channels on the cheap, at the end of the day, we are the paying customers and will pay at the end of the day, Companies are in business to make money, so therefore if VM want to be a force in the Tv industry, which is what VM then they have to provide what the customer wants.

I pay at the end of the month.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by richard1960

The current rights holder for formula one Bernie Eccleston has always said he took less money for the rights to have a bigger audience on terrestrial tv i suppose as advertising revenue in the sport is high having a big global tv audience helps,but if he sells up well we may see formula one on sky sports sometime in the future due to the sheer size of skys cash pile.

Interesting link though.

On the sky atlantic issue well it will not come to vm until they get the right deal, although anything i really want to see there are other means! or just buy the box set from amazon and cut out the middleman (tv channel)

Agree with all that , to be honest as a Sky subscriber I haven't watched that much on Atlantic HD up until now I've series linked Game of Thrones and The Pacific (which I believe was on Sky Movies already ) however I didn't catch it then.

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This is what angers me about VM, it has already been stated on DS that Sky offered Atlantic at a reasonable price, but VM said it was expensive.

VM cannot expect to get channels on the cheap, at the end of the day, we are the paying customers and will pay at the end of the day, Companies are in business to make money, so therefore if VM want to be a force in the Tv industry, which is what VM then they have to provide what the customer wants.

When people get fed up of waiting for new channels and move back to sky they might do something about it,But until that happens it looks like we are getting nowt

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This is what angers me about VM, it has already been stated on DS that Sky offered Atlantic at a reasonable price, but VM said it was expensive.

VM cannot expect to get channels on the cheap, at the end of the day, we are the paying customers and will pay at the end of the day, Companies are in business to make money, so therefore if VM want to be a force in the Tv industry, which is what VM then they have to provide what the customer wants.

Arthur it may well have been stated on a public forum that sky atlantic was offered to vm at a reasonable price,but neither of us has seen the exact deatils of that (reasonable price) or i doubt any forum member ,so that is just speculation.

The customer may say they want sky atlantic on vm but not at any price,subs would soon moan if vm paid silly money for channels and their subs rocketed to pay the bill for being so reckless.

[Perfect Choice]

So you really think Sky offered it at a "reasonable price", hardly likely.

It may well come in time or the key programmes will be viewed on other channels over time (6 to 12 months plus I would say) If you want first view, then Sky has always been best for that on leading series/films e.g. Broadwalk Empire.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

So you really think Sky offered it at a "reasonable price", hardly likely.

It may well come in time or the key programmes will be viewed on other channels over time (6 to 12 months plus I would say) If you want first view, then Sky has always been best for that on leading series/films e.g. Broadwalk Empire.

It's always the case the companies will be adrift on price Sky are probably overvaluing it and VM offer undervalues it . Clinteastman said yesterday VM want the best price for their customers and Sky want to sell at a price beneficial to them after all shareholders wouldn't be to happy if they sold everything on the cheap.

[Perfect Choice]

Agreed, both parties will agree what "reasonable" is in the end, it will take time on Atlantic though since Sky have promoted it so strongly as a "premier like" basic channel. Not in a rush myself to see but must admit I would have liked to have seen the Pacific which is the first programme on Atlantic I've been interested in (don't have Sky movies where it was first shown). Perhaps if I wait another year, it will repeat again on Sky One say or a deal may be done. Programmes are repeated so often these days (especially as day time padding) you get the chance to see them eventually if you are patient.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It's always the case the companies will be adrift on price Sky are probably overvaluing it and VM offer undervalues it . Clinteastman said yesterday VM want the best price for their customers and Sky want to sell at a price beneficial to them after all shareholders wouldn't be to happy if they sold everything on the cheap.

Thats the bottom line mate,although i doubt sky will lower their asking price until a reasonable exclusivity period has passed its just not in skys interest to sell to vm at this time,(looking at it from skys perspective)

Interestingly i have read on a different tack that BT have done a deal with ofcom to sell infinity (allowing faster broadband via a phone line) to suppliers like sky but sky in this case do not want to pay a lot for this,so its not alawys vm that wants lower pricing sky are at it too.

[windy]

Everybody want lower pricing in an ideal world but this isn't an ideal world unfortunately

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by richard1960

Thats the bottom line mate,although i doubt sky will lower their asking price until a reasonable exclusivity period has passed its just not in skys interest to sell to vm at this time,(looking at it from skys perspective)

Interestingly i have read on a different tack that BT have done a deal with ofcom to sell infinity (allowing faster broadband via a phone line) to suppliers like sky but sky in this case do not want to pay a lot for this,so its not alawys vm that wants lower pricing sky are at it too.

You are 100% correct I wasn't saying VM are cheapskates , I agree pricing for customers is very important , as for Sky using BT's Fibre product this is much the same, they want to offer cheap BB products to their customers and I believe there are a few other companies complaining to ofcom ,Talk Talk being one of them.

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

So you really think Sky offered it at a "reasonable price", hardly likely.

It may well come in time or the key programmes will be viewed on other channels over time (6 to 12 months plus I would say) If you want first view, then Sky has always been best for that on leading series/films e.g. Broadwalk Empire.

Probably not at what vm call reasonable,But what is there excuse for other hd/sd channels (Universal,Disney,ITV,CBS amongst a few )9 months and all we are seeing is sky arts and red button which were all agreed last year in the sale of there channels.I voiced concerns with ceo`s office several months ago when they sold there channels to sky and they assured me that new channels were coming 6 months later where are they ?

[Perfect Choice]

Originally Posted by howardmicks

Probably not at what vm call reasonable,But what is there excuse for other hd/sd channels (Universal,Disney,ITV,CBS amongst a few )9 months and all we are seeing is sky arts and red button which were all agreed last year in the sale of there channels.I voiced concerns with ceo`s office several months ago when they sold there channels to sky and they assured me that new channels were coming 6 months later where are they ?

Agreed, while we talk on new channels like Sky Atlantic, there are several gaps in Vms portfolio which really should not be contentious, especially HD channels of existing SD channels. Even something like ITV2/3/4 HD are not with VM yet, surely that is not a big hurdle to address and HD on ITV2 could actually be useful.

Personally I think VM have been doing a great deal of work on the network last year ready for products like Tivo and want to get that out of the way before adding channels. We shall see but the next 3 to 6 months should really result in 6 to 10 new channels just to expand the HD list, if not then I will be dissapointed with VM.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

You are 100% correct I wasn't saying VM are cheapskates , I agree pricing for customers is very important , as for Sky using BT's Fibre product this is much the same, they want to offer cheap BB products to their customers and I believe there are a few other companies complaining to ofcom ,Talk Talk being one of them.

Everybody wants lower prices mate thats the bottom line vm do not want to have to pay more then is necessary for tv channels on the platform ,sky talk talk ect ect want cheaper access to BTS lines for their cut price broadband.

Perhaps we need a regulator offering independant binding arbitration.LOL.

Am off now to enjoy the good weather on my day off instead of sitting around watching tv.

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

Agreed, while we talk on new channels like Sky Atlantic, there are several gaps in Vms portfolio which really should not be contentious, especially HD channels of existing SD channels. Even something like ITV2/3/4 HD are not with VM yet, surely that is not a big hurdle to address and HD on ITV2 could actually be useful.

Personally I think VM have been doing a great deal of work on the network last year ready for products like Tivo and want to get that out of the way before adding channels. We shall see but the next 3 to 6 months should really result in 6 to 10 new channels just to expand the HD list, if not then I will be dissapointed with VM.

You and everyone else matey

[muppetman11]

Another point worth noting is that a fair few channels added over the last 18 months have been channels available on M+ like C5 HD , Film Four HD , ITV1 HD , BBC1 HD.