Coronavirus (OLD)

[joglynne]

As far as I can see the Government has been increasing the capacity for processing tests ever since the pandemic started. There were not enough NHS labs in existance and, IMHO, it would not have been possible to build all the new facilities the NHS would have needed in the time given so going to the private sector was the only way possible. Emergency plannig could never be expected to be able to cope with such an unprecidented demand either at NHS or in the private sector

Can't find a singe neat link covering the increases of Laboritory capacity but here are just a few.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/03/n...-testing-labs/

https://www.rcpath.org/uploads/asset...9-Testing-NHS-

Laboratories.pdfhttps://www.medicaldevice-network.com/comment/lighthouse-labs-uk-covid-19-testing/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

We're not employed to do better nor are we responsible for it. They are.

That's what makes it so easy for you to criticise, Damien.

Have you got sacked everytime someone who knows not very much decides to criticise your work?

[Mad Max]

If the selfish brigade who have absolutely no symptoms stop taking up valuable testing, designed for people who really do have symptoms, then maybe, just maybe, more places would become available for those in need of a test.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul

Are yes, the age old answer to everything, because that always solves the problem

Repeated incompetence would get you the sack in any other job.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That's what makes it so easy for you to criticise, Damien.

Have you got sacked everytime someone who knows not very much decides to criticise your work?

This is a nonsense argument.

The Government are and should be held to account on the results of what they produce. The logical conclusion of your argument that since we're not in charge we cannot judge is an argument to never criticising the Government at all.

I somehow doubt that this understanding would be extended by you to anything else and just seems to be involved in this one instance but you don't like it.

Forgive me if I am wrong and you've never criticised anyone in a position of authority you don't have?

And even when we do actually know something about what they're doing. Such as their NHS app that was never going to work and then turned out not to work we're still not allowed to criticise the Government.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

If the selfish brigade who have absolutely no symptoms stop taking up valuable testing, designed for people who really do have symptoms, then maybe, just maybe, more places would become available for those in need of a test.

l see lets demonise another group again as its such a easy thing to do to divert the blame from such wonderful world beating testing....

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

If the selfish brigade who have absolutely no symptoms stop taking up valuable testing, designed for people who really do have symptoms, then maybe, just maybe, more places would become available for those in need of a test.

There’s actually no real evidence for this. Nice of the Government to throw up a straw man though for their fans to use as a diversion tactic.

Still we will have 10 million tests a day by February. Hopefully they won’t get stuck at Calais as we send them to Germany for lab capacity.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Paul

Ah yes, I forgot you have subscribed to the paranoia.

The very small minority who get really ill will end up in hospital, where they can be treated properly, and as part of that, it will be verified if its down to CV19.

The vast majority of people will get a few symptoms, perhaps feel a little ill, and shake it off.
In fact, your own previous posts were telling us how we are all likely getting immune to it without even knowing.

Its amazing how many members of this forum would manage to do so much better, after the fact of course.

Oh right, I forgot this whole pandemic is just mass, global hysteria for no reason. Next you'll be telling me that hundreds of thousands of people haven't died.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not really. You may recall that there were issues about the accuracy of the tests. This is not as straight forward as some would have us believe.

Oh I know it's not straightforward at all, all the more reason why I'd prefer the best people were in charge of dealing with it.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That's what makes it so easy for you to criticise, Damien.

Have you got sacked everytime someone who knows not very much decides to criticise your work?

You don't have to be an expert to know if something could be done better. If nothing else, the government should at least release a statement on the matter rather than letting us wait for Nicola Sturgeon to call them out on it. I'm a big fan of transparency but right now there's no bloody tests and there's nary a word from the government.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is a nonsense argument.

The Government are and should be held to account on the results of what they produce. The logical conclusion of your argument that since we're not in charge we cannot judge is an argument to never criticising the Government at all.

I somehow doubt that this understanding would be extended by you to anything else and just seems to be involved in this one instance but you don't like it.

Forgive me if I am wrong and you've never criticised anyone in a position of authority you don't have?

You’re wasting your time. Old Boy’s wild contortions and contradictions throughout this thread can only be summarised by the Government are right, all of the time, even when being right at a later point contradicts being right initially. Nobody, nobody, could have done better. Ever.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s actually no real evidence for this. Nice of the Government to throw up a straw man though for their fans to use as a diversion tactic.

Still we will have 10 million tests a day by February. Hopefully they won’t get stuck at Calais as we send them to Germany for lab capacity.

You can believe what you want, but I know for a fact people that have done this, and if that's what's happening with a few people I know, then I'm pretty sure it's happening all over.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Oh right, I forgot this whole pandemic is just mass, global hysteria for no reason. Next you'll be telling me that hundreds of thousands of people haven't died.

Oh I know it's not straightforward at all, all the more reason why I'd prefer the best people were in charge of dealing with it.

You don't have to be an expert to know if something could be done better. If nothing else, the government should at least release a statement on the matter rather than letting us wait for Nicola Sturgeon to call them out on it. I'm a big fan of transparency but right now there's no bloody tests and there's nary a word from the government.

The official line is they would have to have either died anyway or died of something else.

My East European boiler service man spent about 20 minutes this morning telling me all about how Covid is a Jewish conspiracy. It’s a bit of a nuisance, I have quite an old wood pellet (biomass) boiler and there are very few people qualified to service it. So I just nodded and smiled and waited for him to go away.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by denphone

l see lets demonise another group again as its such a easy thing to do to divert the blame from such wonderful world beating testing....

That's a stupid comment, I expected better from you, Den, I'm not demonising anyone, just pointing out that its been happening.

Originally Posted by denphone

Repeated incompetence would get you the sack in any other job.

In my experience, of 3 large companies, over 40 years, no, it wont.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Oh right, I forgot this whole pandemic is just mass, global hysteria for no reason. Next you'll be telling me that hundreds of thousands of people haven't died..

Being an ass as usual.

Hundreds of thousands of people have died of many things, billions have not.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Monday 14 September 2020, 3:36pm

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-14/...-sturgeon-says

Scotland wasn't being singled out. Then again, why doesn't Scotland do it's own?