2015 UK General Election Thread

Originally Posted by Dave42

ukip is the second nasty party

Does that mean that the SNP are the second ******* party?

In case people aren't aware of how difficult Cameron remaining in No 10 is. This FT analysis shows the barrier they are up against: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/43838f80-e...#axzz3XZLOtGXy



In case you don't think that's legit try this BBC game: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32336071

It's really hard to see how the Conservatives can do it unless they or the Liberal Democrats hold onto a lot more seats then they're currently projected to do so. Even then the LibDems might be minded to go with Labour.

[nashville]

Watching all these debates. They all seem to be fighting with one another, I hope Labour gets a good majority in England, As for Scotland I hope the silent manoriity come out and vote against this nippy Nicola, She will drive us all nuts , We need Labour to get a good result in Scotland

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

gaty does it not concern you that if labour do a deal with the SNP part of the deal appears to test on getting rid of trident. Have you seen what Russia is up to at the moment?

Any other time I may have said yes.

but Dave's posh boy face and voice really grates on me.
you know when you get the urge to punch someone in the nose?

well that's how Dave affects me. and the only way my mental health will ever improve is when he's not PM anymore.

I may feel the same about Ed. but Dave really has to go. I can't stand him

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by nashville

Watching all these debates. They all seem to be fighting with one another, I hope Labour gets a good majority in England, As for Scotland I hope the silent manoriity come out and vote against this nippy Nicola, She will drive us all nuts , We need Labour to get a good result in Scotland

But suppose Labour are well in the minority in England but still get to #10 on the SNP coat tails?

Don't you think the majority English Tory voters (as the polls show) would be well peed off having a Labour minority government foisted upon them by the SNP?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

But suppose Labour are well in the minority in England but still get to #10 on the SNP coat tails?

Don't you think the majority English Tory voters (as the polls show) would be well peed off having a Labour minority government foisted upon them by the SNP?

I think that prospect would go down like a lead balloon - Labour wreckers in cahoots with SNP separatists would be a disaster for the UK as a whole and do wonders for English nationalism.

If the SNP had got their way Scotland would be in real trouble now but I don't suppose all those deluded 'Bravehearts' who bought into the flawed argument want to hear that.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

But suppose Labour are well in the minority in England but still get to #10 on the SNP coat tails?

Don't you think the majority English Tory voters (as the polls show) would be well peed off having a Labour minority government foisted upon them by the SNP?

Wales will return some Labour MPs as well. However this is the way our system works. Scotland get representation as well and, let's not kid ourselves, those seats would largely be going to Labour if they weren't going to the SNP.

The SNP isn't the reason the Tories stand to lose. It's the fact the Tories are weaker in England than they should be in order to win an election as well as their historical weaknesses in Wales & Scotland meaning they depend on running up the score in England.

You say the English Tory voters are in the majority but it's a very small majority and they're trounced by the left-wing regions.

[Osem]

A small majority is still a majority. I bet the SNP wish they'd had one...

A Labour SNP deal would see an awful lot more people voting Tory I reckon.

Originally Posted by Osem

A small majority is still a majority. I bet the SNP wish they'd had one...

A Labour SNP deal would see an awful lot more people voting Tory I reckon.

The fact it's small means it's not enough to overcome the larger majorities in Scotland & Wales. We're not electing a English Government. We're electing a British one so having a small majority in England doesn't help them. The Tories need a much larger majority in England in order to win.

The prospect of the Labour/SNP deal is what the Tories are using to get England to vote Tory but they've been doing that for a few weeks now and the polls aren't moving yet. A collapse in UKIP support and better Liberal Democrat polls numbers is the best chance the Tories have.

[Osem]

I wasn't referring to the election results- just the number of people who vote Tory. We all know the electoral system is biased very heavily against the Tories so they need more votes to achieve the sort of majority that same number of votes would get for Labour's loonies. DC's failure to do something about that could come back to haunt him. More voters, however, will eventually lead to more seats especially if, as we can be certain, an SNP backed Labour govt. holes the ship and people start to realise and feel the effects of the nonsense they actually voted for. I'd rather not see the recovery set back but there are clearly lots of people out there who would do for reasons best known to themselves.

I think UKIP's fall in support is largely Tories who wanted to make a point but now realise they'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by voting UKIP.

Also Cameron has only himself to blame for the rise of the SNP. His mismanaged the referendum giving Salmond too much sway over the timing of the vote and wording of the question. Then he did that idiotic, irresponsible and cynical speech after the vote where he suddenly attached EVEL conditions to the promises he made before the referendum. It looked like Westminster backtracking on the promises made and give excellent ammunition to the separatists to turn defeat into another cause to fight for.

In 2010 the Union seemed secure and Scottish Independence a pipedream. In 2015 the issue is dominating the election. Cameron's legacy may well be the breakup of the Union. He doesn't seem to care by the way he is talking about Scotland now either, he'll happily spur that on if it gains him a seat or two down south.

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Originally Posted by Osem

I wasn't referring to the election results- just the number of people who vote Tory. We all know the electoral system is biased very heavily against the Tories so they need more votes to achieve the sort of majority that same number of votes would get for Labour's loonies. DC's failure to do something about that could come back to haunt him. More voters, however, will eventually lead to more seats especially if, as we can be certain, an SNP backed Labour govt. holes the ship and people start to realise and feel the effects of the nonsense they actually voted for.

I think UKIP's fall in support is largely Tories who wanted to make a point but now realise they'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by voting UKIP.

The boundary advantage isn't too bad if Labour don't have Scotland. If you look at the current polling Labour and the Conservatives are neck-and-neck but so are the seats.

The problem is Labour have more possibilities for a coalition or confidence and supply than the Conservatives do. They're both heading for a draw but the SNP will push Labour over the top.

As I said the two things that can stop this are a collapse in UKIP support and better than expected Liberal Democrat seats.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Does that mean that the SNP are the second ******* party?

tories are the nasty and ******* party only a ******* party would treat poorest people like them do

[Osem]

That aside, Salmond would have got the same result versus anyone. He had the advantage of being able to spout nationalist nonsense directed at the auld enemy and people voted for it in Scotland just like they voted for Putin in Russia and are still doing in spite of their economic woes. Nationalism is highly effective in overcoming common sense it seems.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Osem

I wasn't referring to the election results- just the number of people who vote Tory. We all know the electoral system is biased very heavily against the Tories so they need more votes to achieve the sort of majority that same number of votes would get for Labour's loonies. DC's failure to do something about that could come back to haunt him. More voters, however, will eventually lead to more seats especially if, as we can be certain, an SNP backed Labour govt. holes the ship and people start to realise and feel the effects of the nonsense they actually voted for. I'd rather not see the recovery set back but there are clearly lots of people out there who would do for reasons best known to themselves.

I think UKIP's fall in support is largely Tories who wanted to make a point but now realise they'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by voting UKIP.

Cameron is talking up snp as he know it only way he can get back in number 10 snp taking lots of seat from labour so he could win by back door

[Osem]

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