Riots

Originally Posted by Sirius

Depends how they are used, What is your suggestion to combat the thugs if the police DONT use baton rounds ?

Real rounds ? Might make a few think twice.

Time to corden off a few affected areas, send in the troops, declare martial law, round up all the rioters and deposit them on a remote island so they can riot themselves to death without harming the rest of us.

[denphone]

There is more trouble at East Ham and Beckton leading to road closures.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I didn't misunderstand the original post at all. The distinction between claiming they created the environment which allowed the protests to happen and they caused the protest is not great, your still tagging them with some responsibly for the riots. That the civil liberties they fight for allowed it to happen. Now the quaint and affluent streets of London are under threat, I wonder if the left leaning, namby-pamby lawyers, judges, politicians, journalists, activists and other apologists who live in them are focussing their minds on what they've allowed to happen and the vigilantism that is inevitably starting to surface?


This would have happened anyway. There were riots many times before in London, long before the police had more restrictions placed on them. This one is especially odd because it's just sheer criminality. It's not the fault of tax cuts, youth centre closures, someone being shot or increased human rights. We have seen from the many protests previously then the police do 'go in' but given the mass scale of this and the sporadic and uncontrollable nature of the outbursts they are trying different approaches.


They are a pressure group for civil liberties. They speak out on civil liberties. Their role is not to be balanced to defend the police. It's not hypocritical for them to take that position.

I see you can't bring yourself to admit your cheap shot in claiming I'd stated they'd condoned the riots, despite my clarification. Yes there have been many riots but when did you last see riots on this scale for 3-4 days with the police standing by powerless and watching shops and homes be looted and burned because they've been rendered impotent? IMO therein lies the difference between the past and now which you don't seem to see. That's what's been allowed to happen right under our noses and I've made it quite clear who I hold largely responsible for emasculating the police which is the main factor which I believe has allowed the troubles to spread and develop. That's really not the same thing as blaming Chakrabati, her organisation and/or her ilk (who I alluded to earlier) directly for the riots and if you can't accept that then that's your problem not mine.

Last night our local trading estate was ransacked and right now in our local park there is a large number of youths congregating with one thing on their minds and it isn't the local ducks. They've been in/out of our high street all day causing little incidents and intimidating people and I've no doubt they'll be considerably more trouble tonight. The police are there but despite all of what's happened they evidently feel powerless to do anything about it. These kids know their rights, the rules the police are bound by and exploit their civil liberties only too well. It's just a pity that those who taught them those rights and afforded them their liberties didn't make a better job of teaching them their responsibilities.

Anyway those of us, who have for a long time thought that things had gone too far, might in time have cause to thank these mindless idiots because I have a feeling that, through their wanton violence and destruction, they're going to make our argument to the powers that be far more persuasively than our words of warning were able to do....

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by danielf

I think he was making a valid comment, in that the fact that Duggan didn't fire the gun doesn't mean that his killing was unlawful.

Yes. to us anyway. but it won't make any difference to them.
all they are interested in now is that he didn't fire at them.

[iFrankie]

Cold hearted ****.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16046551

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Yes. to us anyway. but it won't make any difference to them.
all they are interested in now is that he didn't fire at them.

I think it's fair to say they're only interested in running amok.

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Originally Posted by iFrankie

Cold hearted ****.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16046551

That's the third time that's been posted.

[Jimmy-J]

Unconfirmed reports of shooting in Salford.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Unconfirmed reports of shooting in Salford.

Hopefully it's a resident that shot in self defence.

[Jimmy-J]

My old library has been set on fire.

[AdamD]

I live no where near London, thankfully, but I do find the spreading of this thuggery and vermin, rather scary to be honest.

I guess that's what you get when you hand out "ASBO"'s rather than punish repeat offenders.

What I don't understand is why the police are just standing around with riot shields/armour, when thugs/hoodies are throwing bricks, smashing windows and knocking vans etc over?

What kinda country is this when people are allowed to do this thing? good lord.

From the BBC's twitter:

1839: Vicki Young Political correspondent, BBC News
Senior Tory MP David Davis calls on the police to stop treating the disorder on the streets as a peaceful demonstration and intervene more quickly to stop rioting and acts of criminality. Speaking on BBC Look North, Mr Davis says the police had been "standing by, presumably under orders," and watching criminal acts happen.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes the people there are fighting and dying for basic rights and freedoms we take for granted, the people here are fighting and looting for big tellys and trainers, makes feel proud to be British doesn't it.

I still wouldn't bring the army in, a decent curfew systems in order, as is rounding up the ring leaders. My boroughs been hit to now, not to bad just some shops and cars smashed up for now.

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I read some where only 1700 extra officers are avaliable, kind of makes me wonder where the 5000 for the wedding appeared from.

I agree with the curfew idea ,we need to get the children under control and force the parents to watch them and while where at it any under age children identified in the riots shouldn't we be prosecuting the parents for neglect or something

Originally Posted by Scary

when are the riots comming to my town i need a new TV lol

That is not funny ,think of all the small buisnesses that have lost everything ,one was over 100yrs old handed down father to son ,it was burned to the ground last night do you think he will find that comment funny ?
I think you owe the forum and anybody who has been a victim of these riots an apology

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by Scary

when are the riots comming to my town i need a new TV lol

You were raised well, I can tell.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by martyh

I agree with the curfew idea ,we need to get the children under control and force the parents to watch them and while where at it any under age children identified in the riots shouldn't we be prosecuting the parents for neglect or something



That is not funny ,think of all the small buisnesses that have lost everything ,one was over 100yrs old handed down father to son ,it was burned to the ground last night do you think he will find that comment funny ?
I think you owe the forum and anybody who has been a victim of these riots an apology

l agree.

Originally Posted by Osem

Anyway those of us, who have for a long time thought that things had gone too far, might in time have cause to thank these mindless idiots because I have a feeling that, through their wanton violence and destruction, they're going to make our argument to the powers that be far more persuasively than our words of warning were able to do....

If that does happen it will be the only good thing to come out of this

[Jimmy-J]

The thread title needs to be changed again.