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Florence · 02-05-2008, 15:36

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Originally Posted by roadrunner69

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Sorry Simon but when did this change to...

"You may have seen that phorm are filming the whole event for the Web. Edited to suit themselves"

I feel Simon is also being used by the Phorm phenomina to help them gain reputation they haven't earned.

I do hope all will end up sorted out and the true colours of the phorm management highlighted for all to see.

There has been a lot of manipulation of words mainly from the phorm camp and phorm investers who I feel sorry for as they have the ost to lose if cases do go to court.

MPO is do not conphorm to phorm and let the ISPs and phorm be damned

roadrunner69 · 02-05-2008, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Florence

I feel Simon is also being used by the Phorm phenomina to help them gain reputation they haven't earned.

I couldn't agree more.

jca111 · 02-05-2008, 15:47

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Sorry Simon but when did this change to...

"You may have seen that phorm are filming the whole event for the Web. Edited to suit themselves"

Simon, you appear to be getting messed around by the clients you represent. Sometimes in business the wisest thing to do is to resign a client. This is often hard, because you can see the revenue being lost etc (particularly when just setting out). I've had to do it in the past, and I feel you really should be doing this now. It can hurt - but in the long run it can be beneficial.

AlexanderHanff · 02-05-2008, 15:51

No offence intended jca111 but I don't really think we are in a position to suggest how Simon runs his company. Plus he already made a clear statement on how they make a judgement on whether or not to drop a client and under what circumstances that could happen.

Alexander Hanff

jca111 · 02-05-2008, 15:58

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

No offence intended jca111 but I don't really think we are in a position to suggest how Simon runs his company. Plus he already made a clear statement on how they make a judgement on whether or not to drop a client and under what circumstances that could happen.

Alexander Hanff

I don't see why we can't. We are trying to tell BT, VM and Phorm how to do their business. We are asking BT and VM to drop Phorm, so I dont see why we cannot do the same for 80/20 thinking. The more companies that distance themselves from Phorm the better as far as I am concerned.

One of the arguments for VM distancing themselves from Phorm is to do with reputation. Surely this also apples to 80/20?

Whether 80/20 want to keep phorm or not is up to them, but i see no difference with the tarnished reputations than that of VM.

AlexanderHanff · 02-05-2008, 16:01

There is a difference between asking a company you have a contract with not to fiddle with your data or service in illegal and immoral ways and telling Simon to drop a client (who you have no contract with). I am not trying to start an argument, I just think people get a little emotional about the 80/20 Thinking - Phorm relationship. That is fine, I appreciate people are concerned about the entire issue but it displaces focus from the real issue which is the Phorm technology and the ISPs plans to deploy it.

Alexander Hanff

oblonsky · 02-05-2008, 16:08

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

There is a difference between asking a company you have a contract with not to fiddle with your data or service in illegal and immoral ways and telling Simon to drop a client (who you have no contract with). I am not trying to start an argument, I just think people get a little emotional about the 80/20 Thinking - Phorm relationship. That is fine, I appreciate people are concerned about the entire issue but it displaces focus from the real issue which is the Phorm technology and the ISPs plans to deploy it.

Alexander Hanff

I don't agree one bit with your statement Alex, you voice your opinion and others voice theirs. Who are you to criticise others for speaking their mind?

However it may be worth pointing out the benefits of keeping Simon and 80/20 on side in the debate as a go-between. 80/20 have a unique relationship with Phorm, and they listen to us on the forums too. A counter argument to the argument 80/20 should drop their client.

80/20Thinking · 02-05-2008, 16:10

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

There is a difference between asking a company you have a contract with not to fiddle with your data or service in illegal and immoral ways and telling Simon to drop a client (who you have no contract with). I am not trying to start an argument, I just think people get a little emotional about the 80/20 Thinking - Phorm relationship. That is fine, I appreciate people are concerned about the entire issue but it displaces focus from the real issue which is the Phorm technology and the ISPs plans to deploy it.

Alexander Hanff

I agree with Alexander's assessment. And I made it clear many times that one way or the other we will see this process through to the end. It's the right thing to do, and it's entirely appropriate to our role.

Simon

jca111 · 02-05-2008, 16:10

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

There is a difference between asking a company you have a contract with not to fiddle with your data or service in illegal and immoral ways and telling Simon to drop a client (who you have no contract with). I am not trying to start an argument, I just think people get a little emotional about the 80/20 Thinking - Phorm relationship. That is fine, I appreciate people are concerned about the entire issue but it displaces focus from the real issue which is the Phorm technology and the ISPs plans to deploy it.

Alexander Hanff

I'm afraid I just don't agree! I love what your doing, I really do - but we obviously just don't see eye-to-eye on this one. Sorry Alex.

Florence · 02-05-2008, 16:13

I have to agree with Alexander here we can think what we like and when it comes to if phorm goes live what you will do personally yourself for your data I moved ISPs yes it was costly to put a BT line in to move. I will be tied to an 18month phone line contract but I am where phorm cannot get to my data so it was worth every penny.

It is up to Simon and his conscience that can only decide his path with phorm after all if he makes many believe this is good and end of the day my theory is correct and they do use everyone’s internet connections and PC’s for immoral, illegal acts then it is all those who convinced people it was safe that carry the can.

AlexanderHanff · 02-05-2008, 16:18

That's fine, the world would be boring if we all agreed with each other all of the time and like I said I am not trying to start and argument or offend anyone.

Alexander Hanff

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As I have said in the past I would rather a company with a highly respected board in the realms of Privacy do the Phorm PIA than some start-up just out to make a quick buck off the new ICO advisement on PIAs. That's just my opinion and I appreciate other's might think differently.

Alexander Hanff

jca111 · 02-05-2008, 16:18

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

That's fine, the world would be boring if we all agreed with each other all of the time and like I said I am not trying to start and argument or offend anyone.

Alexander Hanff

Me neither - so big hugs all round

AlexanderHanff · 02-05-2008, 16:19

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Originally Posted by jca111

Me neither - so big hugs all round

Hehehe

Alexander Hanff

windowcleaner · 02-05-2008, 16:20

found this

http://www.trustguide.org.uk/Trustgu...l%20Report.pdf

Florence · 02-05-2008, 16:26

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Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking

I agree with Alexander's assessment. And I made it clear many times that one way or the other we will see this process through to the end. It's the right thing to do, and it's entirely appropriate to our role.

Simon

I can see where you are coming from but you also have to see where we are coming from.

Kent has a bad reputation he earned this reputation and I personally had to remove one of his rootkits from my sons PC. MPO no computer of mine will come into contact with his equipment hence I moved. I personally wouldn't stay with BT, VM or Talktalk if this was released.

Listening to him on click and the attitude he displayed didn't make me change my views. The contempt was visible for the internet users, to him we are not people with a mind or brain we are a number to be milked dry like a cow..

Infect he did say something which if true makes my theory more relevant when the pony theory was used for advert and wife sharing pc. Kent said a few pony adverts amongst a lot of irrelevant ones wouldn't stand out...

So ok why are they forcing phorm down our throats since the adverts are irrelevant not targeted as we are led to believe..

The longer this goes on the more inaccuracies are noticed in what is said and what is supposed to happen. If the British government do not bring to justice those guilty of using live connections with a company like phorm, while they had no data protection licence and no control over the scripting or handling of the machines in use the better for all concerned.