Unstoppable migration?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Over the years, there has been thousands of refugees that have come all over Europe to various countries and the UK.
The UK have always been known for its kindness and generosity. But really has happened is that many Tv Crews get hold of many refugees and ask where they are going.

We have has them on screen and admit - they want to come to UK for benefits, and some have even said they want to come to steal and pickpocket.

In fact there is a Romanian camp in Hyde Park London.

But what has to happen is that EACH country take so many - say 50.000 and that is it.

What each country has to realise that this will put strain on the services of that country. In fact several years ago, the people of Scotland were up in arms as there were Asylum Seekers went there, and were given everything they needed. And naturally, the people of Scotland didn't like it.

We have to look at the fact that apart from the refugees being allowed to come to Britain. We also have them trying to get through the Channel Tunnel.

I think that Australia has banned them altogether - l may be wrong.

There is only so far we can go before saying NO. And no l am not whining, l am looking at the future

[Osem]

I'm hearing about all these local authorities offering to take in refugees. There was I thinking they couldn't cope with their current problems. There are plenty of people including children, the elderly, sick and vulnerable living in squalor and being told their councils can't help but suddenly it appears they can help other people. Maybe they'll be accessing additional funding but where's that additional funding to get our own people out of squalor or off the streets? Don't they matter as much?

Anyway, I hope any 'care' vulnerable refugees children are placed into is a lot better than the sort of 'care' afforded to the thousands of vulnerable children these same people allowed to be abused under their noses for decades.

I'm glad Geldof is going to be housing a few migrants and hope all his rich holier than thou mates do likewise for a good long time, not just while it affords them the publicity they crave when it suits. Maybe they will arrange for some of their luxury pads, mansions and estates to be similarly put to such worthy use. Of course they wouldn't need to leave all their expensive personal trinkets lying around but they're wealthy enough to put them in safe storage for such an important cause so that's not insurmountable. Just a pity they didn't feel able to start a campaign to house some of the countless destitute they've passed by over the years on the way to/from one celebrity bash after another. I dare say they'd have been equally grateful but maybe they weren't sufficiently newsworthy to be worth the effort.

Anyway time will tell just how many people are really prepared to put their money where their mouth is. Maybe I'll be proved wrong and all those busily tweeting and signing petitions about how terrible all this is will actually do something practical to help. Maybe they won't soon be whining on about how services are further being cut to the bone due to yet another influx of migrants who'll be entirely dependent on welfare. Maybe they'll even stop complaining about their summer holidays or business trips repeatedly being delayed by other equally desperate migrants trying to get across the Channel. Let's hope so eh, but in the sudden effort to be more humanitarian let's not forget those who desperately need help and are already living amongst us.

[Taf]

How can Bob Geldof afford to shelter 4 Syrian families after giving away all of his money to starving African children?

One of the richest countries in the world Saudi Arabia has done nothing to help the Syrian refugees

Typical. They'll cut off your hand but they won't lend one.....

Master plan.

1. Welcome all the Syrian refugees into Europe.

2, Give them all a job in the armed forces.

3. Once trained, send them on a mission to fight extremists,

In Syria.

[Osem]

Given what's happened over the last couple of years I wonder if people still think that choosing not to engage in military action in Syria was the best policy.

[nomadking]

You would have still had IS and the Kurds trying to take over.

[Osem]

Yes, quite probably. I'm not suggesting it would have been a panacea but it's an interesting question to pose.

Meanwhile, I wonder how long the clapping will last at Munich station...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

Given what's happened over the last couple of years I wonder if people still think that choosing not to engage in military action in Syria was the best policy.

I thought you were against Western military intervention in the Middle East?

[heero_yuy]

When are the rich Arab Muslim countries of the region going to step up to the plate and take their fair quotas of refugees? To date the five richest Arab nations have not taken one refugee whilst in Europe we're expected to soak up millions.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

When are the rich Arab Muslim countries of the region going to step up to the plate and take their fair quotas of refugees? To date the five richest Arab nations have not taken one refugee whilst in Europe we're expected to soak up millions.

The whole thing is mad and whilst the Sheikhs are sitting on their arses, the Germans are going to see just how many people now decide that's the place to go and would quite like to bring their families too.

Meanwhile it appears the Turkish authorities have restarted intercepting and arresting people trying to cross from Turkey into Greece. Maybe pressure is being applied somewhere behind the scenes.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

When are the rich Arab Muslim countries of the region going to step up to the plate and take their fair quotas of refugees? To date the five richest Arab nations have not taken one refugee whilst in Europe we're expected to soak up millions.

Many,many reasons why the gulf states don't take large quantities of refugees ,probably the biggest reason is that the refugees ,lets use Syrian refugees as an example ,do not want to go to ,for example to Saudi.

A more detailed answer than mine is here

John Burgess, Former US diplomat with experience primarily in the Middle East


Primarily because those Gulf States don't want to take in refugees. They'd rather spend money to help the refugees... elsewhere. They may take in a few thousand for the sake of PR, but they just don't want them.

These countries are already under some stresses of their own. Suadi Arabia, for example, has severe unemployment. The Saudi gov't put the number around 7% (for men). Other say the number is closer to 35%.

These countries are also among the hardest in the world in which a foreigner can obtain citizenship. Even those foreigners whose fathers or grandfathers have been working in the country cannot obtain citizenship. They're not just going to open their doors for tens of thousands of unknowns.

Then there's the problem of the baggage those refugees are carrying, starting with the expectations of a status quo like they left in Syria, pre-civil war. Syrian culture is not Saudi culture. Syrian religious minorities would find no welcome anyway as only Muslims can be Saudis.

And then there's the fact that the Saudi government intensely dislikes the Syrian government. It considers it to be not only corrupt, but in the fist of both the Iranians and Russians. Neither of those are favorites of the Saudis. They and the UAE, for example, are busy bombing ISIS in Syria because they believe the Syrian government has failed its own people. The sooner al-Assad is gone, the happier the Gulf States will be. And then there won't be as much of a refugee crises.

[Osem]

Well if they don't want to go to Saudi Arabia that doesn't preclude the Saudis from providing massive amounts of aid. Not sure they're doing that either. for the Syrians or anyone else for that matter...

Originally Posted by Osem

Well if they don't want to go to Saudi Arabia that doesn't preclude the Saudis from providing massive amounts of aid. Not sure they're doing that either. for the Syrians or anyone else for that matter...

http://www.globalhumanitarianassista...e/saudi-arabia

https://www.saudiembassy.net/affairs...s/foreign-aid/

Saudi is very generous with it's overseas aid to Syria and other countries , for a country with no dedicated government department to administer overseas aid and no treaties to force them to donate aid such as we in Europe have they don't do so bad

[Taf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

When are the rich Arab Muslim countries of the region going to step up to the plate and take their fair quotas of refugees? To date the five richest Arab nations have not taken one refugee whilst in Europe we're expected to soak up millions.

You can't spread islam to a country that already has it in total control.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

http://www.globalhumanitarianassista...e/saudi-arabia

https://www.saudiembassy.net/affairs...s/foreign-aid/

Saudi is very generous with it's overseas aid to Syria and other countries , for a country with no dedicated government department to administer overseas aid and no treaties to force them to donate aid such as we in Europe have they don't do so bad

Perhaps they need to set one up then - they seem to have no problems investing overseas. Surely any rich country which wants to donate aid ought to create the necessary departments and other mechanisms to enable that to happen. This sort of thing's been going on in their back yard for years and they're still not properly equipped to help?

It's not only SA either.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rias-refugees/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So it takes a picture of a dead child to shame Cameron into taking action:

David Cameron: UK to accept 'thousands' more Syrian refugees

"World Leader"? I think not ..

We all feel sorry for these people but this ridiculous crisis has been exacerbated by the EU.

We never signed up to the Schengen Agreement and therefore we are not bound by it. This is a problem made worse by the EU, who should now deal with the consequences. David Cameron is right to concentrate on those who are currently languishing in camps outside Syria.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Well if they don't want to go to Saudi Arabia that doesn't preclude the Saudis from providing massive amounts of aid. Not sure they're doing that either. for the Syrians or anyone else for that matter...

Agreed, Saudi Arabia is not on the wish list of people fleeing religious extremism!

It is, however, worrying that a chap who tore up the Koran was perused muderously by fellow refugees while seeking refuge within the EU!

What on Earth is Europe letting itself in for? David Cameron is right not to involve himself in the cobbled together solutions offered by the EU!