*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[etccarmageddon]

there are indeed some wierd people out there.

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by Ignition

LMAO 10GB a day are you kidding me?!

We do 10GB on a busy day, with an average of about 6GB a day. Our DSL ISP has never complained. NTL never complained when we had usage patterns like that 18 months ago, when we were last with them. What's so ridiculous about having a fast connection, and using it?

[Doofy]

On my heaviest days i could do 5 gig a day and have done granted it is not a constant thing probably 3 or 4 times through the month, On a 3mb connection 5 gig a day isnt that unreasonable IMO. I have never had a leter or anything from NTL even when i was hitting 20 gb a week, didnt seem to cause them too many problems

[obvious]

Ignition:

You're having a laugh, right? Ad hominem arguments like yours + taking 11 single comments out of the whole lot doesn't even come close.

[Ignition]

In between people accusing ntl of supporting and funding terrorism, people thinking it's a per month limit, commenting on BT whose regime is similar or worse, etc.

I suppose the real test is how many of them left ntl, as well as how many of the 'Anticap' executive left ntl as they felt strong enough about the issues to start a website? You still have ntl HSI, as does th'eng, nice example.

Exchange name: Neath
ADSL enable date: 31 Mar 2001

[obvious]

It's funny. You seem to be confusing Anti'Cap' with Anti'ntl' . I'm the first but not the second.

There's no point at all in running for cover of another ISP if you're against capping. That's exactly what ntl would want and is ultimately unproductive.

[Hans Gruber]

Originally Posted by Ignition

In between people accusing ntl of supporting and funding terrorism, people thinking it's a per month limit, commenting on BT whose regime is similar or worse, etc.

I suppose the real test is how many of them left ntl, as well as how many of the 'Anticap' executive left ntl as they felt strong enough about the issues to start a website? You still have ntl HSI, as does th'eng, nice example.

Exchange name: Neath
ADSL enable date: 31 Mar 2001

You got a few idiots in the anti-fox hunting protests. You got a few idiots in the anti-war protests. Neither nullified the cause.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by obvious

There's no point at all in running for cover of another ISP if you're against capping.

There is if that ISP offers an upcapped service.

[obvious]

Originally Posted by Neil

There is if that ISP offers an upcapped service.

If people just move to another ISP then what happens if that ISP starts capping? I was talking about the analogy of running for cover under a different tree when it's raining. It's no good as you could still end up getting wet. Stopping the rain is the only solution (and that's where the analogy falls down I hope) and people are only going to do that by voicing their concerns - now - before it's too late and we're all paying by the byte for our data access needs.

It's the pay-per-byte model that needs to be discouraged as it would just be an excuse for ISPs to increase overall charges. Do you think they'd give a discount to low-data-volume users? It wont happen. If the worst happens then there will be a minimum monthly 'standing charge' + usage charges on top. Low users would still have to pay the 'standing charge' even if they only send one email a month while high-data-volume users will pay through the nose at rates over and above anything remotely reasonable.

Bandwidth costs continue to fall. The upcoming speed increases are testament to this. Arguing for capping is a case of 'The Emperor's New Clothes' or 'The Straw Man'.

[zitianaki]

Originally Posted by Ignition

LMAO 10GB a day are you kidding me?!

whats to kid about 10GB a day is hardly anything 1GB is stupid amount how ntl think 1GB a day is enough is laughable

[cookie_365]

Ok, well I'm generally relaxed about the proposed caps, for reasons mentioned earlier. But many people are up in arms about them. So how can NTL - or any other ISP for that matter, square the circle?

Well, I was thinking about how mobile phone companies do it. They manage to get along with a huge variety of customers, varying from ones who rarely if ever use their phones, to those who have them welded to their ears.

When I got my first brick-sized mobile, back in about 96 or so, it was with one2one (now T-Mobile for you youngsters), and they had free unlimited weekend calls to other one2one users. It didn't last long though - people were buying 2 one2one phones and using them as permanently connected baby monitors!

So now, you sign up to one of several options, either pay as you go where you pay nothing per month but pay for each call, or contract where you buy x minutes free per month. And the more you pay, the more free minutes you get.

And to me it seems like mobile operators and ISPs are in similar positions; they both only have x amount of bandwidth; and both need pricing plans to suit differing usage.

So if we look at how that might work for BB, I can foresee ISPs eventually following something similar. Just using notional figures, you could have:

1 Mbs
pay as you go: £5 per Gig downloaded
5 Gigs per month: £15, with further Gigs £1.50 each
30 Gigs per month: £25, with further Gigs £1 each
etc etc

2 Mbs
As above but price = x1.5

5 Mbs
As 1 Mbs but price = x3.5

etc etc etc

And who knows, maybe one day I'd be able to port my email address pleasedontsendmeanyspam@ntlworld.com to wanadoo .....

Any views ??

[Chrysalis]

Thing is with BT there is a big choice of isp's BT is essentially a wholesale provider, BT Yahoo broadband isnt a representation of ADSL so stop using it please.

Neil I agree with you in theory if unhappy just leave NTL but the problem is NTL have a monopoly in some areas where there is no ADSL and so its a choice of NTL or AOL or dialup.

My last point for the day yes the comparision between business/residental is a joke, the business lite package been closely priced yet the difference in quality of service is huge, what does this say? it says they value their business customers (understandable) but they think residental customers are disposable. Seems to me residental customers are much more profitable then their business customers who are on business lite. But it dont matter so much now I found a alternative and will probably sign up to business lite when they try to impose the cap on me.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by zitianaki

whats to kid about 10GB a day is hardly anything 1GB is stupid amount how ntl think 1GB a day is enough is laughable

because on average most users don't exceed 1GB per day. so why is that laughable if it fits most customers usage profile?

[Neil]

I just wouldn't give my money to a company with an business approach of "like it or lump it, we'll decide what packages that you the customer wants, & that's the end of it"

That's what really irks me with ntl, it's their completely arrogant attitude (always been the same)

ntl should (IMO) offer a variety of packages to entice customers in. Different customers have different needs, & the analogy above of the mobile phone tariffs is an excellent one as it shows the ever changing & varying needs of todays consumers.

How many of the mobile phone companies would still be in business today if they hadn't adapted to suit their customer's needs.....?

ntl are not interested in customer's needs (never have been in my experience), & the arrogance of these tariffs supports that.

let me remind you of something ntl-unhappy customers will leave to find a product that will suit them.

The rest of the industry is changing & adapting to meet it's customer's needs (it's called choice), yet as usual Hussain et all are too busy counting the zeros on their payslips to notice or even care.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by cookie_365

When I got my first brick-sized mobile, back in about 96 or so, it was with one2one (now T-Mobile for you youngsters), and they had free unlimited weekend calls to other one2one users. It didn't last long though - people were buying 2 one2one phones and using them as permanently connected baby monitors!

and you might not remember this but in the small print there was an acceptable use policy/limit despite it being advertised as 'unlimited'!

Originally Posted by Neil

ntl should (IMO) offer a variety of packages to entice customers in. Different customers have different needs, & the analogy above of the mobile phone tariffs is an excellent one as it shows the ever changing & varying needs of todays consumers.

yes, there should be options available for people who want to consume high volumes.