[Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

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Carry on Corbyn.

Missed that earlier.

Too true! The man's a complete joke but with a bit of luck he'll polarise Labour and leave the more sensible middle ground occupiers to form a new party devoid of all the loony lefties and union lackeys.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

His kind of 'rebuilding' i can do with out.

Yup that'd be typical Labour spin for describing destroying. Anyway he's got more than 4 years to destroy Labour and won't be getting the keys to number 10.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Sirius

His kind of rebuilding i can do with out.

You misunderstand - he wouldn't be the one rebuilding, his successors would be.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Yup that'd be typical Labour spin for describing destroying. Anyway he's got more than 4 years to destroy Labour and won't be getting the keys to number 10.

You however were far too eager to take a pop to bother trying to understand what I was saying.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Too true! The man's a complete joke but with a bit of luck he'll polarise Labour and leave the more sensible middle ground occupiers to form a new party devoid of all the loony lefties and union lackeys.

Can't help but thing you are actually reading stuff, and thought it would perhaps be appropriate to be a little less partisan just for once.

Originally Posted by Osem

Lust like Livingstone, when the sweet old grandad mask slips, Corbyn just can't help showing himself up for what he is - an odious and disrespectful loony. Thankfully the only damage he's likely to do whilst Labour leader is to condemn his party to years more in opposition.

Didn't Cameron miss the first appointment? Anyway I don't like Corbyn but how is this 'odious'? You would have had a go if he had went considering he is a Republican.

[heero_yuy]

Corbyn's in a no-win situation: Either he's a hypocrite or he's disrepectful. No wonder he's keeping his head down.

[rhyds]

To be honest, the privy council issue is of no real concern to me. However Corbyn's other plans re Nuclear weapons, the economy and generally as electable than Rolf Harris might lead the current government in to a false sense of security as in 92-97.

Originally Posted by rhyds

To be honest, the privy council issue is of no real concern to me. However Corbyn's other plans re Nuclear weapons, the economy and generally as electable than Rolf Harris might lead the current government in to a false sense of security as in 92-97.

The period 1992-1997 really doesn't map onto this one. The only thing it really has in common is the slim Tory majority, but even that similarity is superficial. Labour should have won in 1992 but the vote, while it swung their way, did not swing far enough. That is not what happened in 2015. Here, the Tories did not narrowly avoid defeat, they romped home with a significantly improved majority.

That in turn will affect the whole tenor of the next 5 years. From 1992, John Major led a fractious parliamentary party that knew it was on borrowed time. There's no point toadying up to the leadership if you know you have no chance of a ministerial career. The only strategy in those circumstances is to play to the gallery, namely the core vote in your own constituency. That is exactly what Major's infamous "barstewards" did, with the effect that they made the Tory party look ever more unelectable as 1997 drew near. They were not complacent and did not assume they would win in 1997. On the contrary, they knew there was nothing they could do to avoid defeat. The only question on election night in 1997 was how badly the Tories were going to get slaughtered.

On the other side of the coin, of course, you had Tony Blair, who in the late 90s looked just as attractive to the electorate at large as Jeremy Corbyn looks ridiculous today. I covered a by-election early in 1997 as a young reporter in what had been a safe Tory seat and followed Blair around a bit one day when he was out on the stump. The shock-and-awe of the New Labour election winning machine was astounding, all the more so because at the time we only dimly understood exactly how extensive it was. They made it look like there really was no alternative to Blair's Labour. Small wonder they won a thumping great landslide later that year.

There is absolutely no way Labour is going to be able to get that sort of operation together for 2020 - not with Corbyn in the vanguard.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Didn't Cameron miss the first appointment? Anyway I don't like Corbyn but how is this 'odious'? You would have had a go if he had went considering he is a Republican.

Would I? Ok thanks for telling me what I would have done maybe next time I'll consult you before I think of what to write.

Where did I write that this act makes him odious? Corbyn is odious because of what he stands for and always has. That's simply my opinion not a scientific fact and it's clear other people have different opinions which is just as well otherwise this place would be a tad boring. If he has a problem with the monarchy (and anything else for that matter) he's entitled to his opinion but he's not entitled to be disrespectful and over many years he's done just that many times - albeit without the full spotlight of the media upon him.

He is now the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition and if he can't bring himself to act accordingly, irrespective of his personal views, then maybe he should have thought about that before he took the job. That's just my opinion by the way.

[Osem]

Just to add, following an unscheduled interruption, some weeks ago Corbyn decided he'll sing the national anthem during official events in future. I haven't branded him a hypocrite for changing his mind but doing so doesn't make me like him or his politics any more than I did. He's singing the anthem in his official capacity not his personal one and that's as it should be.

My memories of Corbyn and his antics go back over many years, way back to the 1970's and 80's, so they're certainly not just a function of where he is and what he's saying/doing now.

[Osem]

Hadn't heard about this before but I wonder if Corbyn thinks about the merits (or otherwise) of spitting in other people's tea. John McDonnell evidently thinks it's quite OK.

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has suggested that staff should spit in their employers tea to help build up a "climate of dissent".


Speaking at a rally in 2011 the Labour MP praised a woman who spat in the tea of P&O bosses during an employment dispute and called on staff to follow her lead and decide "we're not taking it any more, we're going to give it back".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...er-strike.html

Digusting!

[ianch99]

This thread has descended into the gutter

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This thread has descended into the gutter

I disagree:





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[Gary L]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I disagree:

She's got a video. I've just watched it

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I genuinely don't understand the illogical hatred of a political party.

It's not a hatred of his party (labour), it's a hatred of him and what he stands for. His 'comrades' took my grandfather into the forest to shoot him because he was dangerous to their communist cause (he was a landowner and a magistrate). His political system stole my fathers farm and my mothers house.

[Osem]

Gutter? The only people existing in the gutter are people like McDonnell and other Labour supporters who condone this sort of thing* and far worse, just like they did during the miners' strike and on numerous other occasions over the years. Imagine their extreme outrage had an evil Tory said such a thing. The nasty party? These people are utter hypocrites who think nothing of using intimidation and bully boy tactics so long as they get their way. Pathetic.

* and before anyone twists these words, NO that's not the same as saying that ALL Labour supporters condone it.





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Originally Posted by Ramrod

It's not a hatred of his party (labour), it's a hatred of him and what he stands for. His 'comrades' took my grandfather into the forest to shoot him because he was dangerous to their communist cause (he was a landowner and a magistrate). His political system stole my fathers farm and my mothers house.

They were fair game mate - just like everyone else who disagrees with them. It's really not that hard to understand why people like that are hated.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Osem

Gutter? The only people existing in the gutter are people like McDonnell and other Labour supporters who condone this sort of thing and far worse, just like they did during the miners' strike and on numerous other occasions over the years. Imagine their extreme outrage had an evil Tory said such a thing. The nasty party? These people are utter hypocrites who think nothing of using intimidation and bully boy tactics so long as they get their way. Pathetic.

They could just lie like the nasty party.

Cheers

Grim