'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

Like it or not suspicion towards Islam is justified given the elements we know exist within the religion and the fact the majority of Muslims don't appear to fight the spread of extremism within the religion. What I am sure of is that those outside of the Islamic faith cannot solve this it has to be done from within and needs to start happening soon if Islam in this country is to be trusted by the majority. As an atheist I'm reluctant to call for religion to be removed from education because I believe there can be a place for it but it's important that it be a positive mind opening element not just a way to perpetuate whatever religion. It was because of R.E that I started to become an atheist.

Originally Posted by Russ

People who are racist tend not to have a very 'positive' view of Islam regardless of the colour/nationality of the follower, and there are enough of these types to make it virtually impossible for a Muslim to be voted in to a position as high as the cabinet.

do you have evidence of this? I can not see how you correlate this

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you can not be racist then it comes to a multi cultural religion

To be a racist you have to have a hatred of one of the Anthropological racial groups Caucasoid Negroid Mongoloid Australoid or the strange named Other group.

Seeing as Islam is made up of members of all of these groups then it is impossible to be racist towards Islam

You can be a bigot, though, which was one of the descriptors*.

*ignorant racist bigot voters

Originally Posted by Hugh

You can be a bigot, though, which was one of the descriptors*.

*ignorant racist bigot voters

well if you are an ignorant racist bigot then it can not be towards Islam and be correct because he put the 3 descriptors together

I think we all know the implication can we stop the stupid hair splitting now.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

There are enough ignorant racist bigot voters around to ensure that won't happen.

Like there would never be a black American president, like there wouldn't be more women in parliament, etc etc.

It's the hippy apologists and those that shout out racism at every chance which are the real ones damaging this country. Any excuse to get upset on someone else's behalf...

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Ruth Kelly was Secretary of State for Education, and is a practicing Roman Catholic (and a member of Opus Dei) - I don't remember that making a difference...

Originally Posted by Russ

Yeah but they're not trying to take over the world remember.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks

As I said before, I don't think there should be any religious involvement in schools or government. How many changes did Ruth Kelly make that were to do with her section of religion? Do you think she would have reacted different to a Muslim who had her position when it came to the crisis this thread is about? I rest my case

Trying to blur the line by making it sound like someone is against all of a religion does you no favours. It also does not change the fact that these things are happening and it is due to a concerted effort by those involved in a religion wanting to force their radical thinking in to the education system. You don't even need to stretch your imagination to know this is happening in other areas too.

[Russ]

Yeah but you'd think there'd be evidence though. Unless of course those pesky Msulims have infiltrated the media too and are keeping the proof suppressed.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yeah but you'd think there'd be evidence though. Unless of course those pesky Msulims have infiltrated the media too and are keeping the proof suppressed.

Evidence incoming in spades when the respective reports from Birmingham CC and the DfE are released.

You can also find evidence of rank mismanagement and corruption in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets, ruled by an Islamic clique of men (the cabinet is all men, all from a single party, all muslims while muslims remain a minority in the borough.

As far as religiousity of the education secretary goes I think the incumbent is quite bad enough. She is also the Minister for Women and Equality and voted against gay marriage on religious grounds.

Looking at the rest I'm hoping they all just keep heads down and mouths shut until the election and are promptly dismissed.

[Russ]

So...no evidence as yet then.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

People who are racist tend not to have a very 'positive' view of Islam regardless of the colour/nationality of the follower, and there are enough of these types to make it virtually impossible for a Muslim to be voted in to a position as high as the cabinet.

Boolooks

That is just first class bull shine.

And that opinion is just as scientific and accurate as that balls you've just posted.

[Russ]

Hit a raw nerve then eh? You could have been a bit more subtle with it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

Hit a raw nerve then eh? You could have been a bit more subtle with it.

Not particularly.

Just like to call out ******** when it i see it.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Russ

So...no evidence as yet then.

The reports haven't been published but they have been leaked. If you want to ignore them even when The Guardian, having spent the past months calling it a witch hunt and even hosting commentary about Islamophobia, accept that it was happening that's your prerogative of course.

2 separate enquiries, one from the local authority that tried to claim there were no issues having ignored them in the name of 'community cohesion' have come to the conclusion that there were concerted, co-ordinated attempts to impose conservative Sunni Islam on secular state schools.

If you would like to hit Google you'll find plenty of reports. If you still want to disbelieve it after reading the evidence that's your prerogative but it does not, of course, make it any less true.

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Originally Posted by Russ

People who are racist tend not to have a very 'positive' view of Islam regardless of the colour/nationality of the follower, and there are enough of these types to make it virtually impossible for a Muslim to be voted in to a position as high as the cabinet.

You are aware that no-one votes people into the Cabinet and that people are appointed by the PM / ruling party, right?

I guess you were unaware that Baroness Warsi, a Muslim, was a member of the Cabinet and the third Muslim minister?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ruth Kelly was Secretary of State for Education, and is a practicing Roman Catholic (and a member of Opus Dei) - I don't remember that making a difference...

Good old Ruth.

[Ignitionnet]

From the council's own report - they having done their utmost to set up straw men and brush this under the carpet so without a doubt not independent.

In a 151-page report for Birmingham City Council, Ian Kershaw concluded: "The evidence shows individuals have been seeking to promote and encourage Islamic principles in the schools with which they are involved, by seeking to introduce Islamic collective worship, or raising objections to elements of the school curriculum that are viewed as anti-Islamic."

Mr Kershaw's report said the problems had been allowed to run "unchecked" due to what he branded "weaknesses in the system and poor oversight of governance" mainly by the city council, but also by Ofsted, the Education Funding Agency and the DfE.

The leader of Birmingham City Council has accepted that the authority had "shied away" from dealing with governance issues in a number of east Birmingham schools "out of a misguided fear of being accused of racism".

Sir Albert Bore said despite having issues raised to the council and the Department for Education since 2007, "opportunities to pull together an overview of what was happening in east Birmingham were missed".

The report has highlighted areas where we have either taken no action, were too slow to take action, or have simply done the wrong thing. The report further states this has often been because of the risk of being seen as racist or Islamophobic.

Our proper commitment to cohesion in communities sometimes overrode the need to tackle difficult questions about what was happening in a small number of schools.

– SIR ALBERT BORE, LEADER OF BIRMINGHAM CITY COUNCIL

The official government report is even less flattering.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28419901

Though do ignore the nonsense from Tristram Hunt - none of these schools were academies until last year and some still aren't.