UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No, but the Single Market is worth more to them than trading with us on a Tariff-free basis.

Regardless of how much stronger they are than us blah de bloody blah, what the “trade” talks now balance on isn’t about trade at all. The sticking points are political.

It may also dawn on them that a no deal will be damaging to them, it doesn’t matter one fig if it hurts us more than them, it will hurt them and now is not the time to be playing games with fragile economies for political ideals.

I would expect the council to be applying a little bit of pressure to the commission to find a way through this, as it is the member states leaders in the council that will have to explain to their industries why they are going to not do as well in the immediate future trading with the UK, not the unelected commissioners.

[Sephiroth]

The goings on right now are very interesting. Is the UK still batting for quota/tariff free access? The wisps of white smoke appearing in briefings suggest a degree of convergence on the level playing field - which suggest we are indeed still batting for quota/tariff free access.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The goings on right now are very interesting. Is the UK still batting for quota/tariff free access? The wisps of white smoke appearing in briefings suggest a degree of convergence on the level playing field - which suggest we are indeed still batting for quota/tariff free access.

That's actually a very good question! I am certainly not clear what our position is beyond tariff and quota free access. There's loads of other stuff like mutual recognitions of things like airline safety, road licencing, qualifications, intellectual property rights, etc. that need to be pinned down too

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

That's actually a very good question! I am certainly not clear what our position is beyond tariff and quota free access. There's loads of other stuff like mutual recognitions of things like airline safety, road licencing, qualifications, intellectual property rights, etc. that need to be pinned down too

I was under the impression that stuff was folded into the 90 to 95% said to be already agreed.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I was under the impression that stuff was folded into the 90 to 95% said to be already agreed.

Unfortunately, until it's all agreed, it's not a deal...

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I was under the impression that stuff was folded into the 90 to 95% said to be already agreed.

Let's hope so!

[Mr K]

MPs have been primed to vote for a possible Brexit trade deal at the beginning of next week as hopes rise of a breakthrough in Brussels.

Senior Government sources have confirmed that Boris Johnson is preparing to push back the Christmas recess should he secure an agreement with the EU by the weekend.

The Telegraph has been told that plans being studied by Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Commons leader, involve MPs and peers being asked to sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday if there is a deal, with December 24 still under discussion.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eal-next-week/

A deal is coming. Happy Christmas everybody ! Even the Hon. Member for the 19th Century is on board. He's probably reviewed his investment portfolio...

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eal-next-week/

A deal is coming. Happy Christmas everybody ! Even the Hon. Member for the 19th Century is on board. He's probably reviewed his investment portfolio...

Great news but ratification could be an issue.. Will Parliament just sign off without scrutiny? Could be saving up a whole raft of issues here, remembering the remarkably short shelf life of the Withdrawal Agreement.

The European Parliament are making noises too about the limited time for scrutiny

[heero_yuy]

A "deal" rushed through at the last moment without minute scrutiny is a sell out by another name.

[Sephiroth]

The Torygraph’s experts will be all over it in short order. Weaknesses will be brought swiftly into view.

Btw, where is OB these days while his prophecies are working their way through?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Great news but ratification could be an issue.. Will Parliament just sign off without scrutiny? Could be saving up a whole raft of issues here, remembering the remarkably short shelf life of the Withdrawal Agreement.

The European Parliament are making noises too about the limited time for scrutiny

Maybe some kind of interim implementation for a month with more scrutiny in January?

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Some more positive developments.

Downing Street has watered down a key demand over post-Brexit fishing rights as part of a broader compromise, EU sources said as Germany’s ambassador in Brussels said there was a chance of a deal by the weekend.

The UK dropped a push for fishing vessels operating under the UK flag to be majority British-owned in the future, it was claimed.

It came as Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons who is responsible for its timetable, suggested it was “theoretically possible” that MPs could be asked to approve a trade deal retrospectively.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-brexit-talks

I'd rather stay but as we are leaving I would rather a deal than no deal.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I'd rather stay but as we are leaving I would rather a deal than no deal.

The UK formally left the EU on 31 January 2020, following on a public vote held in June 2016. ... After the European Parliament ratified the agreement on 29 January, the United Kingdom withdrew from the European Union at 23:00 London time (GMT) on 31 January 2020, with a withdrawal agreement in place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdr...European_Union

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The UK formally left the EU on 31 January 2020, following on a public vote held in June 2016. ... After the European Parliament ratified the agreement on 29 January, the United Kingdom withdrew from the European Union at 23:00 London time (GMT) on 31 January 2020, with a withdrawal agreement in place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdr...European_Union

So? I didn't challenge that in anyway in what I said.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Maggy

So? I didn't challenge that in anyway in what I said.

If you had phrased your reply "I would rather have stayed .... " then Papa wouldn't have had a point to make.