13-12-2018, 15:58
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#4981
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Me too, in my constituency, and strangely enough, it's the other way round here - must be that North/South divide...
We are about 50/50 on Leave/Remain, but even some of the Leave camp thought she needed to be allowed to get on with it, and that Rees-Mogg et al were just nasty little stirrers out for themselves, rather than the country.
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Mogg must know he can't get it.
As an aside earlier in the year I read a book about the campaign and it made Steve Baker and the wider ERG seem like the men behind the curtain, geniuses pulling the levers of the party, now I think it's just Steve Baker was a good source for the journalist.
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13-12-2018, 18:15
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#4983
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
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Not a chance of peace within the governing party then...
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13-12-2018, 18:20
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#4984
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Brexit
I hope they do something so stupid. If we don’t have the legislation we need A50 gets extended.
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13-12-2018, 18:30
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#4985
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Re: Brexit
On the contrary without legislation A50 happens on schedule.
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13-12-2018, 18:39
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#4986
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
On the contrary without legislation A50 happens on schedule.
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There’s much more to facilitating Brexit, of any description, than the EU withdrawal Act.
From that Tweet
“Could involve a vote on 2ndry legislation on Wednesday possibly on no-deal planning on financial services”
If secondary legislation required by financial services for no deal planning isn’t in place do you think May won’t declare it an emergency and extend/withdraw? The party backed May, and opposition parties will be happy to continue the pantomime as it makes the Tories look petty by squabbling against the national interest.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...withdrawal-act
“Now the bill has gained Royal Assent and become an Act of Parliament, the Government has begun to introduce the secondary legislation it needs using the powers created by the Act. Ministers have estimated around 800 will be needed. The content of some of these will depend on the nature of the UK’s future relationship with the EU, but if the UK leaves the EU without a deal by March 2019 all of these will need to be in place.
The European and Statutory Instruments Committee (ESIC) is now up and running and the statutory instruments are being laid in Parliament. ESIC can recommend statutory instruments tabled under the negative procedure be upgraded to affirmative, but not the other way round. Therefore, it will likely scrutinise around 600.”
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13-12-2018, 19:42
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit
A decent article- for once, by the BBC that highlights that Labour are just farcical and have no other objective than to snipe from the sidelines, the don’t want to be in power until Bexit has been resolved because they know they can’t deliver it.
Corbyn secretly wants a hard Brexit, but can’t say it.
Why is Jeremy Corbyn not trying to topple Theresa May right now? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46552939
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13-12-2018, 19:49
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#4988
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Re: Brexit
Labour’s strategy is actually quite good. Any outcome and the Tories take the fall. What’s not brilliant about that as a strategy?
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13-12-2018, 19:58
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#4989
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Labour’s strategy is actually quite good. Any outcome and the Tories take the fall. What’s not brilliant about that as a strategy?
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The question is if the positions were reversed how would the Conservatives play it?.
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13-12-2018, 20:04
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Re: Brexit
The same. Don’t interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
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13-12-2018, 20:06
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Labour’s strategy is actually quite good. Any outcome and the Tories take the fall. What’s not brilliant about that as a strategy?
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Thats just typical labour, pretty much the same when they were last in power
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13-12-2018, 20:28
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Labour’s strategy is actually quite good. Any outcome and the Tories take the fall. What’s not brilliant about that as a strategy?
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For all their bluster, they are impotent. They don’t want to be in power until Brexit is over. Because they know they’d make a horses arse out of it too.
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13-12-2018, 20:36
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
For all their bluster, they are impotent. They don’t want to be in power until Brexit is over. Because they know they’d make a horses arse out of it too.
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Why don’t the Tories throw them in then?
The actual risk is that Labour make a success of it.
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13-12-2018, 20:43
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#4994
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Why don’t the Tories throw them in then?
The actual risk is that Labour make a success of it.
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Because Brexit is only part of it. Labour would royally make a dogs breakfast of everything.
Also, The only way Labour could get into power is if they were given it as you so wish. Because even with the farce of the current proceedings Labour still wouldn’t win.
Any other opposition would be light years ahead by now.
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13-12-2018, 20:52
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
So you don't want another referendum?
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I'm not keen.
I do think that if it was demonstrated that the previous referendum was won on the basis of illegal funding, then a new referendum would be needed, in the same way that athletes who won medals by taking unlawful substances are stripped of them.
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