*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by mojo

Just phone up NTL, tell them you think it's rubbish and you want to leave, and they will give it to you for free. Any time you try to cancel anything, they give it to you for free.

And you can absolutely, 100% guarantee that will happen can you?

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by mojo

Just phone up NTL, tell them you think it's rubbish and you want to leave, and they will give it to you for free. Any time you try to cancel anything, they give it to you for free.

No they don't.

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by mojo

It's going to be nearly impossible for NTL users to download anything, since most BitTorrent sites now require at least a 0.75 ratio. That means, you have to upload at least 75% as much as you download. So, the 30GB cap is really only worth 17GB of downloading, or a bit less due to overhead.

Where did chrysalis mention bittorrent? There's more to downloading stuff than torrents...

[Chrysalis]

Heh well I dont use bittorent or any other p2p software I happen to hate the protocol, but for people that do use it then this will be a killer for them I expect as they usually have to upload a proportion of what they download I think.

Neil I disagree with you that there is nothing new to discuss, many new points have been raised in this thread such as the option of switching to the business lite package, yes there has been some ranting but there has also been good discussion and I think progress has been made for some people. What is useless is people posting just to say zzZZ, if you not interested then ignore this subject.

[Mauldor]

In reply to the pointless moaning about the cap, speeds and god knows what else...may I ask what the point of this forum actually is? Was it not started as a outlet for people to show there disagreement with the way NTL were going/have gone? All i see if the NTL Lovers standing by no matter what they put on there line...the old spin of "soon everybody will be capped no matter what" never sort of panned out did it? Yes ISP's have cap but ONLY on the lite packages...not quite the same thing.

The fact the first cap thread and now this one is always near the top, always MOAN about etc - does not that show you something? You cannot tell me a single home user likes the idea of a cap been imposed, most are in the dark, second it becomes reality (bloddy soon I hope to at least make some headroom on these arguments) then watch what happens...Only way a CAP to become the normal is if Every single ISP does the same thing. I personally would love to see NTL stick there necks on the line and bring in a hard cap across there entire range - how long we got now? Few months till something is in writing?

If this forum has nothing to do with NTL (as in owned by or indeed looked at even) then we can post till were blue in the face, little will be done or taken notice of.

This is my view on what will happen over the period as I see it...
NTL Introduce a hard cap with rules and reg on what/why/wherefor.
People wont come on here and moan about it - they will quite simple change (of they can mind you, cos not everyone can get ADSL etc) to another ISP, if they have a NTL phone line then they also will need a BT line, so a double whammy.

The people who have moved on (a lot of them maybe) will go out of there way to inform and advise people they know not to pick NTL and the reaosns why - a lot of people wont even get near the cap but the fact it will be there is clock watching, people def dont like that, the days of Dial up are gone I tell you.

These are my views - probably wrong - just how I feel over whats been said so far and for one - CAP=NTL Disconnected as far as Im concerned, already have a BT line after last capping crap...so im kinda ready and waiting as they say...

[Nikko]

This thread is a constant source of amusement.

A few die hard protesters post the same old poo in diminishing ever decreasing relevance, and converse ever increasing desperation to make some contrived point.

Do you all conspire on MSN? 'hey I have a new take on the same old crap, hehe this will get them'?

Is it an independent coming together of like minded souls? A secret Geek Clan of 'Well they cut me off for not paying my Bill so lets unite'?

Do all 5 (ish) of you swap revolutionary anti ntl protest content on a secret forum somewhere?

Keep posting. Keep re-iterating your opinions. I for one will never be bored - I had no idea there were so many permutations of typos, mis-spellings, grammatical omissions or syntax failures to be had based on a 3 letter word.

[Chrysalis]

Nikko I think its more the other way around, its a few die hard defenders, just because 95% of customers havent a clue what is going on and what a gigabit is doesn't mean they agree with whats going on, its like 80% of laws the government introduce the public havent a clue what they are until it affects them, does this mean the public approve of these laws? of course not.

I think you are struggling to accept the concept people are refusing to lie back accept the change and carry on paying ntl money, like it or not forums tend to be a place to post concerns not to pat someone on the back for a job well done, I dont see the point of slamming someone who posts these concerns.

"Do all 5 (ish) of you swap revolutionary anti ntl protest content on a secret forum somewhere?"

I think its nearer to 500 if you count all the deleted/locked threads.

[Rone]

Its amzing to me how many none NTL employees have such die hard "loyalty" to ntl , as though it were a football team. However Nikki I dont imagine for 1 minute you all spend your spare time outside the NTL offices chanting "here we go" and "go on, lets have a smaller cap" then go to the pub to discuss how stable the connection was this week.
You pay ntl for a service, and your over the moon with it, and i'm happy for you, but for those that are'nt, this is the place to vent your feelings.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I dont see the point of slamming someone who posts these concerns.

He wasn't "slamming" actually, he has a very good point that I agree with. That's why I never post in these type of threads.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Rone

Its amzing to me how many none NTL employees have such die hard "loyalty" to ntl , as though it were a football team. However Nikki I dont imagine for 1 minute you all spend your spare time outside the NTL offices chanting "here we go" and "go on, lets have a smaller cap" then go to the pub to discuss how stable the connection was this week.
You pay ntl for a service, and your over the moon with it, and i'm happy for you, but for those that are'nt, this is the place to vent your feelings.

I think that you are confusing loyalty with reality. Some of us realise that we are getting a better than average service at a reasonable price. We are getting what we pay for and getting more of it quite regularly. Some people ought to wake up to the fact that they are not paying enough for the service level that they think they should have.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Some people ought to wake up to the fact that they are not paying enough for the service level that they think they should have.

<Devil's Advocate>With respect Ian What you have not mentioned there, is the fact that most people are paying enough for the service level that they signed up for originally (prior to ntl moving the goalposts silently on a Friday night regarding the "cap") </Devil's Advocate>

[Rone]

Originally Posted by Scott

He wasn't "slamming" actually, he has a very good point that I agree with. That's why I never post in these type of threads.

You just did.

[j\k]

[Graham F]

Most people Neil are you sure abt that?!?

I think you will find that more than half of ntl's BB users signed up after that Friday in question, so its not most is it Oh and from what i remember it was a Friday afternoon not nite

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Graham F

Most people Neil are you sure abt that?!?

I think you will find that more than half of ntl's BB users signed up after that Friday in question, so its not most is it Oh and from what i remember it was a Friday afternoon not nite

I meant most of the people that are here complaining about the cap.

[Graham F]

and you talk about ntl moving the goalposts