Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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Yep it cuts both ways Taf but alas the one eyed man only conveniently mentions the part that suits them..
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
diddle i diddle i diddle i diddle how many are there not on the fiddle
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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diddle i diddle i diddle i diddle how many are there not on the fiddle
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Far more then you think but if you continue to read certain parts of the media who sole purpose is to demonise all benefit claimants then one will never come out a well thought out rational reasoned conclusion.
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Far more then you think but if you continue to read certain parts of the media who sole purpose is to demonise all benefit claimants then one will never come out a well thought out rational reasoned conclusion.
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as many as 10 ?
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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as many as 10 ?
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The answer is out there if you look.......
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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The answer is out there if you look.......
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i've looked and don't like what i see but i do understand why people are bricking it over the assessments .
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
That is why it is always a good idea to get a recording, this not only safeguards the claimant but also the assessor imo. I also think it would be a good idea if all assessment centers offered the assessment to be recorded without the need to request I know this would cost but I'm quite sure that most claimants would gladly pay for a copy CD or Tape.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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That is why it is always a good idea to get a recording, this not only safeguards the claimant but also the assessor imo. I also think it would be a good idea if all assessment centers offered the assessment to be recorded without the need to request I know this would cost but I'm quite sure that most claimants would gladly pay for a copy CD or Tape.
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Many assessors don't like to be recorded, and some just call in sick when a recorded interview is scheduled.
The rules covering recording are strict, despite many calls by those in oversight positions demanding that all interviews be recorded.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
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Many assessors don't like to be recorded, and some just call in sick when a recorded interview is scheduled.
The rules covering recording are strict, despite many calls by those in oversight positions demanding that all interviews be recorded.
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Well that say's it all Taf why do they not like to be recorded what do they have to worry about if there telling the truth in reports they write then surely it would make sense to have a recording to back up their report. As I have previously stated this ensures a fair assessment for all concerned including the assessor.
I did not know that many assessors don't like being recorded as this makes perfect sense to me and the only explanation I can come with is that they are the one's on the fiddle
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
One assessor had his recordings checked against what he had written. His assessment was overridden and the recording used for the decision (in favour of the claimant).
Was the assessor sacked? No, the assessor was "reprimanded" and sent back to work.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
I think these interviews ought to be recorded too - it'd be so much easier to conduct checks and detect mistakes, cheating, misrepresentation etc. by all involved.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
The ones that get caught and prosecuted are the blatant ones, eg activity holidays, running marathons. There will be large numbers who aren't so blatant but are still fibbing. They are more difficult to identify and will not be in the fraud figures.
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04-08-2017, 15:01
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
The Government itself estimates that less than half a % of DLA claims are fraudulent, which, whilst any fraud is unacceptable, compares very favourably with other benefits.
Nevertheless, Governments (both Tory and Labour) have used special initiatives to reduce this further eg The Benefits Integrity Project.
Each time the results were that roughly 80% of awards were found to be correct and unchanged, 10% were reduced and 10% were found to be being underpaid.
In essence, they saved nothing (in fact it cost the taxpayer money in extra administrative costs) and put most people through the process needlessly.
I believe that this is why Cameron changed the goalposts* and brought in PIP.
* eg by reducing the length that a person is able to walk before being classed as unable or virtually unable to walk.
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