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**Mick** · 12-12-2018, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe it just is a weak negotiating position and Brexit is madness. It's supporters had no plan and have left Remainers to pick up the pieces. They've been rumbled. Blame anyone and everyone except themselves seems to be their only response.

More bollocks. Brexiteers cannot be blamed when they have not been steering the ship.

denphone · 12-12-2018, 13:07

May signals to Tories that she will stand aside before general election if she wins vote.

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Heavy hint from Downing St source on how May will play today: “She does not believe that this vote, today is about who leads the Conservative party into the next election - it is about whether it is sensible to change the leader at this point in the Brexit process”.

jfman · 12-12-2018, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Mick

More bollocks. Brexiteers cannot be blamed when they have not been steering the ship.

They’ve all held key offices, with true exception of Mogg.

Carth · 12-12-2018, 13:24

Lots of people can steer a ship, but usually only in the direction the Captain orders

Gavin78 · 12-12-2018, 13:34

It's just a shame she didn't do what we asked and that was to leave the EU then do talks.

She has tried to carry out a deal for all and it hasn't worked it should have stayed with leave or remain not this crap inbetween

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Originally Posted by Mick

More bollocks. Brexiteers cannot be blamed when they have not been steering the ship.

Totally agree,

We voted out, remain got to decide how and now look at the state of it.

**Mick** · 12-12-2018, 13:38

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Originally Posted by jfman

They’ve all held key offices, with true exception of Mogg.

And as previously said, those brexiteers in cabinet positions have been overruled. Brexiteers cannot be blamed-end of discussion.

jfman · 12-12-2018, 13:45

I don’t agree with that interpretation of events. As I’ve stated before the adults have had to step in because of the incoherent stance of leave campaigners.

Liam Fox and Michael Gove have seen the light. I’m not sure why the rest haven’t, but then we all accept leaving is economically irrational.

Mr K · 12-12-2018, 13:45

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And as previously said, those brexiteers in cabinet positions have been overruled. Brexiteers cannot be blamed-end of discussion.

End of discussion - again? Thread closed then ?

denphone · 12-12-2018, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K

End of discussion - again? Thread closed then ?

Don't be daft Mr K as we do live in a democracy where one can discuss , debate and agree and disagree.

Gavin78 · 12-12-2018, 13:56

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End of discussion - again? Thread closed then ?

By all means discuss but we have a remain PM by which remain argue she stepped upto the plate.

She's made a mess of it so how has she done any better than someone who is pro brexit?

By staying in the EU then I can only assume those that want to remain are happy with becoming a federal state?

Carth · 12-12-2018, 13:59

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Originally Posted by jfman

. . . . we all accept leaving is economically irrational.

you could also say that a great many believe staying is economically irrational, especially those who have seen jobs lost or wages reduced.

When you talk of the economy, it's sometimes hard to envisage it in terms of the people at the bottom, those to whom £30 a week less is a lot of money.

denphone · 12-12-2018, 14:00

Philip Hammond on Sky News.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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I’m very clear that the prime minister will have the support of the great majority of parliamentary colleagues. And I think what this vote today will do is flush out the extremists who are trying to advance a particular agenda which would really not be in the interests of the British people or the British economy. Leaving the European Union without a deal would be bad for Britain.

1andrew1 · 12-12-2018, 14:06

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When you talk of the economy, it's sometimes hard to envisage it in terms of the people at the bottom, those to whom £30 a week less is a lot of money.

For the Brexit elite like Rees-Mogg, BoJo, Farage and co it is. For the rest of us it's easier.

jfman · 12-12-2018, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Carth

you could also say that a great many believe staying is economically irrational, especially those who have seen jobs lost or wages reduced.

When you talk of the economy, it's sometimes hard to envisage it in terms of the people at the bottom, those to whom £30 a week less is a lot of money.

I don’t see how people at the bottom benefit from Brexit. It’s not like the money will be used to take people out of poverty, reform Universal Credit, solve the housing crisis, increase the minimum wage, or any meaningful steps to benefit people in poverty in this country.

Lower economic growth, lower tax revenues and lower investment aren’t going to help our poorest.

Mr K · 12-12-2018, 14:10

They do seem to have miscalculated (again) with this. The vote against her might be embarrassingly small and she'll end up stronger. Might even convert a few to backing the crappy deal now the ERG are sidelined as an irrelevance.