[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Hom3r]

This is going to the the biggest thing we get to vote on, and will effect generations to come.

I only hope we get told in Plain English the pros & cons, and not be told in a language that only a few can understand.

[Taf]

I hope we get told THE TRUTH in plain English. Not much hope of that though as it's going to be a few months of mudslinging, lies, half truths and vague assumptions from all and sundry.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

This is going to the the biggest thing we get to vote on, and will effect generations to come.

I only hope we get told in Plain English the pros & cons, and not be told in a language that only a few can understand.

Smoke, mirrors and snake oil.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Taf

I hope we get told THE TRUTH in plain English. Not much hope of that though as it's going to be a few months of mudslinging, lies, half truths and vague assumptions from all and sundry.

Not a chance. The three million jobs will vanish if we leave will get trotted out and all the regions will moan about losing EU funds, conveniently forgetting about the UK contributions that will no longer be going to European farmers and the like.

[j52c]

• One country – effectively Britain – will have the right to impose a handbrake to refer contentious financial regulation to a meeting of EU leaders in the European Council.

Or in other words, EU leaders will think about it again then implement the new regulations anyway, therefore this is a non starter.

[devilincarnate]

Bye-bye EU

[Osem]

I'm afraid I have no faith whatsoever our glorious Euro-leaders' ability to steer the EU in anything other than a meandering but unstoppable heading for the edge of a precipice.

The EU doesn't work and can't, I believe, be reformed. Turkeys would be more likely to vote for Christmas than the Eurocrats admit their mistake! Their handling of the migration crisis has been as pathetic as it is dangerous and even now there's no real plan to solve the problem. If ever there was a time for the EU to prove itself this was it but I'm afraid it's been the same old story of dithering, squabbling, ineptitude, duplicity, intractable dogma and head in the sand politics.

The UK doesn't need to withdraw from Europe, it needs to withdraw from a fundamentally flawed organisation called the EU.

[techguyone]

Here's a different slant.

Given all that we now know about the EU

As a thought, how would you currently decide to vote in a referendum that would allow the UK to join the EU ?

[Osem]

Ermmmmmm..............

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Here's a different slant.

Given all that we now know about the EU

Quote:
As a thought, how would you currently decide to vote in a referendum that would allow the UK to join the EU ?

Not relevant as new entrants have to promise so much more beyond that we currently have to follow. Like for example Schengen and joining the Eurozone.

I'll now sit back and look forward to all the scaremongering from both sides..

[ntluser]

It will be interesting to see how member of the public react when they hear the details of the deal.

Interesting too that the Cabinet itself is split on the benefits of staying in the EU. I suppose Boris will vote with Dave...eventually

Unlike previous elections all voters really need to ask searching questions particularly about the financing of the EU and what the deal means for migration.

A lot will find, as some have said, that the changes are so minor that the EU will merely carry on business as usual wasting taxpayers money.

The problem for the public is that there are so many vested interests all trying to get the decision to go their way. David Cameron and the Consrvatives obviously want it to go their way but so do the SNP and the Lib Dems. UKIP obviously want to get us out. Big companies want us to stay in but small businesses want us to leave. The other EU countries want us in as they will have to make up the UK contribution if the UK leaves.

There's also the issue of trust. Can you really rely on politicians to tell the truth? Or will they simply act in their own personal or party interests. Most of us will have to rely on the pundits and the media for help in making a decision.

It might well be worth remembering too that when Edward Heath took us into Europe it was on a trading basis in what was known as the Common Market. Nothing was said then about political union, at least not to the public.

I'm just wondering if, following the Maestricht treaty, we are perhaps no longer able to leave the EU but no-one wants to admit that.

The next few months will no doubt the filled with vigorous campaigning with the usual scaremongering on both sides, indeed the old "leap in the dark" mantra if we leave as already been requoted.

The floating voters will be crucial. I'm just hoping that they are willing to do the necessary research to understand the issues and the significance of the vote, rather than vote to stay because it feels safe and comfortable.

It will be very interesting to see how this all turns out.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

Here is the deal:

The key changes will mean that:

It's a bit better than the one from a few weeks ago but not what he would have wanted at the start. I think that last point was designed to be the rabbit out of the hat. Someone who knows what they're talking about will have to let us know what it actually means but on the face of it that is probably the substantial one.

This entire deal means essentially nothing.

It is not legally binding.

It will not be discussed in the European Parliament until after the referendum at which point it may be amended or, indeed, rejected entirely.

There is absolutely no reason for the members of the European Parliament to acquiesce to anything they may consider goes against their own constituents' interests post-vote.

It should be remembered that some members of the EU Parliament do actually represent their constituents there, rather than being like my local Labour MEP and representing the EU to his constituents.

The emergency brake is not in the interests of the rest of the EU. We remain in they've no reason to agree to it, especially not the Eastern European nations. The same thing goes for the child benefit changes.

France especially, along with others, will likely seek to render the handbrake on contentious financial regulation impotent. They look with jealousy at the City of London and want the money there for their own purposes.

The opt-out from ever closer union is not new. Neither does it actually mean anything. If we do not join with ever closer union we'll just become even more of a money tap on the sidelines.

For anyone who is concerned about the terms of this deal there is only one certain path, voting to leave. This entire renegotiation has been a waste of the politicians' time and a whole bunch of taxpayers' money.

I have a whole bunch of words for those Conservative MPs who have put career before either belief or the opinions of their local associations and can only wish them every failure when they are next looking for votes. Not that it actually matters of course given they seem set on wanting to abrogate their responsibilities to the EU.

Labour are a joke and know they are a joke, hence why they're so desperate to abrogate responsibility for being the opposition to the EU.

Meanwhile we've Grassroots Out who are seemingly double agents. I presume next on their guest list will be Kim Jong Un.

[Hom3r]

I want to leave the EU so when we lock some ******* up for their whole life, it means they come out feet first in a box.

Not go to the ECHR, who tell us to release him.

[Gavin78]

It might have been better to have a poll on what the British people actually wanted from the EU rather than David Cameron decide what he thinks is best for us.

I also found it pretty ironic that Greece of all countries wanted to Veto some of the terms of Camerons requests considering it's own internal affairs.

I can agree that being in the EU might have some advantages but not enough from my understanding to keep my vote for staying in. I think we will do perfectly fine on our own. the EU doesn't like the UK anyway only our money I think it will be a culture shock if we actually left.

If the Polls are correct though seems to be enough voting to keep us in so on wards we go

[Mr K]

The game's up guys. Cameron and the EU have played this all very well for the media. He's got sweet nothing as predicted but that's irrelevant. Any critics of significance have been sidelined. The leave campaign is a divided shambles; presenting George Galloway as a major player LOL.

Most of the undecideds will swing this and the silent majority couldn't give a toss. They will however be afraid of change, big decisions and uncertainty. They either not vote or vote to remain. It's all been well manipulated which is for the best; Britain outside of the EU would be an economic disaster.