Coronavirus

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Media Boy

We are all going to die anyway.

Then why not go and play on the fast lane of a motorway?


Here’s the thing about quite a few of the the people who use the ‘live our lives’ and other similar reasoning. If they lost a close family relative to this, the nhs would be getting blamed left right and centre for failing to protect/save them. Ultimately they just want to argue.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Your thinking appears (at least currently) to be in the minority. Thankfully.

Maybe so, but we cannot, and I for one will not, go on like this anymore, they can ram their advice right up their proverbial jacksies!

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Maybe so, but we cannot, and I for one will not, go on like this anymore, they can ram their advice right up their proverbial jacksies!

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

Nope, not had one so far, but, that may change soon....

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

I for one will not, go on like this anymore

you will not go on like what any more?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Really ? How so ? As the article states thats their worst case scenario and even then they admit the modelling isn’t precise. They’re trying to give information as best as they possibly can & the issue is that information is going to fluctuate wildly as it’s constantly shifting sands.

It’s also only one of the modelling scenarios that has been requested.

Would you have them say nothing ?

There's a wonderful German saying that some of you will readily understand: "Wenn schonn, denn schonn".

It roughly translates to "If you're gonna do it, then do it properly".

Having a regulation that makes mask wearing mandatory in shops (etc) but allows removal when singing is absurd. The current Plan B has very little value beyond the common sense wearing of masks in enclosed premises.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Nope, not had one so far, but, that may change soon....

Ah, so just keyboard mashing at the moment, fair enough we all do it

Here’s the thing had Omicron not surfaced we would be in a relatovely good place, yes cases are fairly high but resulting hospitalisations & deaths were relatively low. Life would be as pretty much as normal as can be.

We’re now in a position where we have a relatively unknown new variant to deal with. We’re trying to buy time to learn as much as possible as we can. Was the timing of the new restrictions suspect ? Absolutely

Are the public weary and fed up ? Absolutely

Are we being asked to sacrifice a lot ? Not really (imho)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There's a wonderful German saying that some of you will readily understand: "Wenn schonn, denn schonn".

It roughly translates to "If you're gonna do it, then do it properly".

Having a regulation that makes mask wearing mandatory in shops (etc) but allows removal when singing is absurd. The current Plan B has very little value beyond the common sense wearing of masks in enclosed premises.

Totally get you, that is not the scientists fault however…. As I’m sure you’re aware/agree.

The messaging from the government is as always mixed and confusing, along with a weary & fatigued public well…..

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There's a wonderful German saying that some of you will readily understand: "Wenn schonn, denn schonn".

It roughly translates to "If you're gonna do it, then do it properly".

Having a regulation that makes makes madatory in shops (etc) but allows removal when singing is absurd. The current Plan B has very little value beyond the common sense wearing of masks in enclosed premises.

Working from home is a much, much more effective mitigation than masks.


If you're working from home, you stay at home all day. You only talk to colleagues on video calls, or phone calls, you don't go out to get lunch from the canteen or shops nearby, you don't interact with the colleagues sitting near you or wherever you go, you don't touch or share facilities such as toilets or kitchens in the workplace. You also don't travel which reduces the numbers on public transport or driving / lift sharing to work. All of this reduces the number of interactions you have a day. Of course not every job can be done from home but it helps doesn't it?


The exemption for singing is not so you can walk around a supermarket singing, or singing along to the music they're playing. It is to allow people who are there to sing as part of a job they are doing, such as those in choirs, to remove face coverings whilst singing (the exception even extends to allow choir members in a church service to not mask up at all, even during the parts of the service they are not singing). It just allows these people to do their job without having the hassle of a mask hokey-cokey or the impediment of singing with a mask on (which for those who are actual trained singers, is not far off an impossibility).

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Really ? How so ? As the article states thats their worst case scenario and even then they admit the modelling isn’t precise.

Because Project Fear doesnt care what the article says.

The media will typically run with the bold headline "Scientists warn of 75,000 deaths" - and that's all people will see.
They wont read the small print, or care thats its an unlikely worst case scenario, and still totally uncertain - fear instilled, job done.

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On a separate note :

A vote to pass new Covid measures into law this week is expected to be split, as Boris Johnson faces a rebellion from about 60 Conservative MPs.

But Plan B is expected to become law as Labour is backing the government.

There is likely to be one vote on the new facemask rules.

Another vote on whether a daily negative test result should allow those exposed to a positive case to avoid self-isolation.

And the third on Covid status certification

So if the new measures are not law yet, how can they say they must be followed from last Friday ? What happens if they dont get passed ?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Paul

Because Project Fear doesnt care what the article says.

The media will typically run with the bold headline "Scientists warn of 75,000 deaths" - and that's all people will see.
They wont read the small print, or care thats its an unlikely worst case scenario, and still totally uncertain - fear instilled, job done.

Sounds spot on to me Paul, media playing the tune and the public dancing along.

[mrmistoffelees]

Ah, it would appear that Project Fear actually should be named Desperate Media

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah, it would appear that Project Fear actually should be named Desperate Media

Agreed. There is no Project Fear, just websites seeking clicks and newspapers seeking to sell copies.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

On a separate note :

So if the new measures are not law yet, how can they say they must be followed from last Friday ? What happens if they dont get passed ?

We have the absurd position where any opposition to the government’s actions is coming from within the party in power and not from the Opposition party.

Any Opposition leader with any skill would be able to totally pull apart the Governments response to this, but Starmer and the Labour Party are totally politically impotent.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. There is no Project Fear, just websites seeking clicks and newspapers seeking to sell copies.

The scaremongering is coming from the media though.


Right now, even before Plan B measures have even been voted through in Parliament (of which there is never a guarantee, likely as some may be) we have non-existent Plan C and Plan D being mooted, whilst it's not going to be unlikely that they are indeed planning what the next stages may be, certainly formally there is no such thing, it's all to just get people emotional about it again. Stopping hospitality serving inside in the winter is just ridiculous, they might as well just close them because no-one would go. None of those measures really do a lot anyway, if they can't go to the pub people will just have house parties anyway which is much harder to control. Boosters is the only real solution.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nffc

The scaremongering is coming from the media though.


Right now, even before Plan B measures have even been voted through in Parliament (of which there is never a guarantee, likely as some may be) we have non-existent Plan C and Plan D being mooted, whilst it's not going to be unlikely that they are indeed planning what the next stages may be, certainly formally there is no such thing, it's all to just get people emotional about it again. Stopping hospitality serving inside in the winter is just ridiculous, they might as well just close them because no-one would go. None of those measures really do a lot anyway, if they can't go to the pub people will just have house parties anyway which is much harder to control. Boosters is the only real solution.

You have no idea if c,d,e and whatever else are in planning stages.

Surely it makes sense to governments to have options in place for differing future potential scenarios? Unless you would rather they just make stuff up as they go along.

Oh, hang on….


Boosters are only going to be unfortunately a part of the solution, vaccines whilst highly effective are not the silver bullet that was promised.


The biggest issue we have is we have possibly the worst ever government in charge at the worst possible time.