Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[jelv]

I'd prefer a positive logo to a negative logo - so it should depict what we are campaigning for, not what we are against.

[Frank Rizzo]

Alex - your man in the middle reminds me more of Blair's Demon Eyes.

As for the gamespy logo they are showing the registered trademark symbol and yet I can't find that one registered here:

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-text/

There is a gamespy arcade registered but not gamespy with the green guy.

The rules are you can display TM without having to register that trademark but you can only use the ® symbol if registered.

BTW take a look at Phorm and Webwise applications on the IPO site...

[JohnnyWashngo]

Oh wow.

I wrote to my MP, Phil Willis, about this whole issue, informing him in my best laymans terms of the privacy concerns I had as well as the history of the people behind the Phorm/WebWise company.

To date I haven't had a reply but I did just notice that his name has been added to the EDM 1311.

I have never had this kind of success with a MP before and am quite shocked that in the space of 2 days, I have managed to get another name added to the EDM.

Now I am thinking what else I can do to help

[popper]

windowcleaner

Originally Posted by windowcleaner

I'm not being funny but do you think all this graphics stuff should be in a different thread?

Lets concentrate on the real issues of RIPA, DPA & Fraud and getting rid of Phorm

thats cool, but you have read the thread so far, and so realise we take a break from the core points you raise now and then, its good to generalise now and then and Alexanders new Privacy site is or will be an integral part of all this thread subject...

BTW Alexander can i reserve my email PO address's assuming you do that alongside the news server/message board thing....etc

i was thinking a multicast tunnel for streaming video one off user generated broadcasts in the political 18DS style, if it ever gets that big, and the Co-Location kit can handle it.

anyway, back to windowcleaner's point, have you come up anything new,any new information or points we havent covered already given your fresh perspective after reading it all...perhaps a new spin on an old theme.

or perhaps you would like to recap and condense some of the points already raised and inspire some new direction, its all good so feel free to act and point out any loopholes we may have missed or forgotten.

[unicus]

Originally Posted by jca111

Perhaps something much simpler? No grading colours etc (I used to work in the printing industry, and gradated colours can look pants on paper of not done right). Whilst I know you are doing a website (hence the Online) - will it ever require printing?

I was going to say something along these lines, as you say Alexander, two colours is better (the shading makes it more).

As for the man in the middle how about a caricature of Kent

[Rchivist]

Kent Ertugrul's bad behaviour as referred to in my BT Beta forum post about Alexander's interview, with Kent Ertugrul "losing it", has popped up on the first page of a google search on "Kent Ertugrul". Felt quite pleased about that. It is a reminder that google is watching, and that can be used to advantage. It's reminded me to put the googleworthy stuff at the beginning of the post so it appears in the extracted text and to make sure the item I want highlighted appears with the search term in the page details.

[bigbadcol]

Originally Posted by jca111

Just because someone has the same nickname does not mean this is the same person!

Also - someone on iii found a 16 year old in the US with the same nickname. I would put money on either of these NOT being the same brettypoos as the one on iii.

Also - I'm not sure that this "outing" thing is a good idea

He has just admitted he is the 17/18 year old American brettypoos.

It matters who he is simply because of all the nonsense he has been posting over and over again. Following the trail also shows some very intresting posts and other stuff around the web. He has been posing as a serious investor, a fact which is clearly untrue.


Also all of the posts saying how good phorm is. He has admited he has no problem with having his privacy invaded.

[jca111]

Originally Posted by R Jones

Kent Ertugrul's bad behaviour as referred to in my BT Beta forum post about Alexander's interview, with Kent Ertugrul "losing it", has popped up on the first page of a google search on "Kent Ertugrul". Felt quite pleased about that. It is a reminder that google is watching, and that can be used to advantage. It's reminded me to put the googleworthy stuff at the beginning of the post so it appears in the extracted text and to make sure the item I want highlighted appears with the search term in the page details.

Ahh - he'll soon change that by using Phorm to alter any references to him to only show fabulous and lovely things about him (and Phorm). That really is scary - cos he/they could do that - the technology is there!

---------- Post added at 16:16 ---------- Previous post was at 16:14 ----------

Originally Posted by bigbadcol

He has just admitted he is the 17/18 year old American brettypoos.

It matters who he is simply because of all the nonsense he has been posting over and over again. Following the trail also shows some very intresting posts and other stuff around the web. He has been posing as a serious investor, a fact which is clearly untrue.


Also all of the posts saying how good phorm is. He has admited he has no problem with having his privacy invaded.

He is not the 17 year old American - he is a WUM - so don't believe anything he says

[JohnnyWashngo]

Following on from my previous post about getting my MP, Phil Willis, to sign the EDM about this issue, I have just read his website and found out that he is, in fact, the Chairman of the House of Commons Science and Technology Select Committee !!!

http://www.philwillis.org.uk/westminster/page1.asp

If anybody should be looking into this, I suppose he high up on the list

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by bigbadcol

He has just admitted he is the 17/18 year old American brettypoos.

It matters who he is simply because of all the nonsense he has been posting over and over again. Following the trail also shows some very intresting posts and other stuff around the web. He has been posing as a serious investor, a fact which is clearly untrue.


Also all of the posts saying how good phorm is. He has admited he has no problem with having his privacy invaded.

Where has he admitted that? I've just looked at the discussion tab and can't see any sign of such an admission at the time of writing this. He/she agreed (15.22) with a post calling someone else a jerk (14.59) but I haven't seen any post admitting identity.

I'm not too happy with the direction this is going in - shouln't we avoid this sort of thing? The web is full of nonsense, doubtless I've written some of it myself. I think the Phorm share price will fall just as fast without brettypoos being outed or harassed.

[mark777]

Originally Posted by JohnnyWashngo

Following on from my previous post about getting my MP, Phil Willis, to sign the EDM about this issue, I have just read his website and found out that he is, in fact, the Chairman of the House of Commons Science and Technology Select Committee !!!

http://www.philwillis.org.uk/westminster/page1.asp

If anybody should be looking into this, I suppose he high up on the list

Good result. None of the other members have signed it though. The members :-


Mr Phil Willis (Chairman), Harrogate and Knaresborough, Liberal Democrats
Adam Afriyie, Windsor, Conservative
Mr Robert Flello, Stoke-on-Trent South, Labour
Mrs Nadine Dorries, Mid Bedfordshire, Conservative
Linda Gilroy, Plymouth Sutton, Labour Co-op
Dr Evan Harris, Oxford West & Abingdon, Liberal Democrats
Dr Brian Iddon, Bolton South East, Labour
Chris Mole, Ipswich, Labour
Dr Bob Spink, Castle Point, Conservative
Graham Stringer, Manchester Blackley, Labour
Dr Desmond Turner, Brighton Kemptown, Labour

Anyone had replies from any of the others?

[jca111]

Originally Posted by R Jones

I'm not too happy with the direction this is going in - shouln't we avoid this sort of thing? The web is full of nonsense, doubtless I've written some of it myself. I think the Phorm share price will fall just as fast without brettypoos being outed or harassed.

I second that - all getting a bit personal over on iii

[bigbadcol]

Originally Posted by R Jones

I'm not too happy with the direction this is going in - shouln't we avoid this sort of thing? The web is full of nonsense, doubtless I've written some of it myself. I think the Phorm share price will fall just as fast without brettypoos being outed or harassed.

You are right. I was getting wound up by all of the nonsense and junk that this person was posting. Making any sensible discussion impossible.

I am supprised that the shares have not dropped more today in the light of yesterdays news.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by popper

windowcleaner


thats cool, but you have read the thread so far, and so realise we take a break from the core points you raise now and then, its good to generalise now and then and Alexanders new Privacy site is or will be an integral part of all this thread subject...

BTW Alexander can i reserve my email PO address's assuming you do that alongside the news server/message board thing....etc

i was thinking a multicast tunnel for streaming video one off user generated broadcasts in the political 18DS style, if it ever gets that big, and the Co-Location kit can handle it.

anyway, back to windowcleaner's point, have you come up anything new,any new information or points we havent covered already given your fresh perspective after reading it all...perhaps a new spin on an old theme.

or perhaps you would like to recap and condense some of the points already raised and inspire some new direction, its all good so feel free to act and point out any loopholes we may have missed or forgotten.

Well plans so far are:

Entire Site served over SSL (certificate already purchased)
The site will include news and information on existing publicity and political campaigns. Security Tools (cookie blacklists, Phorm checker and other relevant free security tools) as well as tips on how to maintain privacy. Legislation relating to privacy and relevant case law where it exists. Name and Shame table for ISPs and other corporations engaging in anti-privacy activities. Forums and SSL enabled IRC.

Future plans will include:
SSL Web Proxy
SSL Web Based Email

As part of the duties of the organisation, I will be (and hopefully others) in regular contact with privacy advocates and political representatives. Ideally I would like to get to the point this summer where I can register the organisation as a charity and do some fundraising to support development of new tools, features and resources and to lobby government for policy enforcement and reform as well as produce printed media for distribution to the general public.

I have other ideas but everything is still very much in the brain storming stage at the moment and I won't be able to dedicate my time to it until the end of May when I finish my degree. So I will use the time between now and then to fine tune plans and work on bits and pieces that won't take up too much time.

Alexander Hanff

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by mark777

Good result. Do we know if any other members of that committee have signed the EDM?

Here's the committee
Innovation, Universities, Science and Skills Committee Members

Member Constituency Party
Mr Phil Willis (Chairman) Harrogate and Knaresborough Liberal Democrats
Dr Roberta Blackman-Woods City of Durham Labour
Mr Tim Boswell Daventry Conservative
Mr Ian Cawsey Brigg and Goole Labour
Mrs Nadine Dorries Mid Bedfordshire Conservative
Dr Ian Gibson Norwich North Labour
Dr Evan Harris Oxford West & Abingdon Liberal Democrats
Dr Brian Iddon Bolton South East Labour
Mr Gordon Marsden Blackpool South Labour
Dr Bob Spink Castle Point Other
Ian Stewart Eccles Labour
Graham Stringer Manchester, Blackley Labour
Dr Desmond Turner Brighton, Kemptown Labour
Mr Rob Wilson Reading East Conservative

and AFAICS - only Phil Willis has signed the EDM 1311
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDe...52&SESSION=891

The lords has a Science and Technology committee with our friend the Earl of Northesk on it
http://www.parliament.uk/parliamenta...ct_members.cfm

Members

Members were appointed on 13 November 2007.

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood (Chairman)
Lord Colwyn
Lord Crickhowell
Lord Haskel
Lord Howie of Troon
Lord Krebs
Lord May of Oxford
Lord Methuen
Earl of Northesk
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan
Lord Patel
Earl of Selborne
Lord Taverne
Lord Warner

Co-opted for the Systematics and Taxonomy inquiry:
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior
Baroness Walmsley

Co-opted for the Personal Internet Security follow-up inquiry:
Lord Broers
Earl of Erroll

All easily accessible on parliament website
http://www.parliament.uk/