[Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

a bit he's like a tory Arthur

Except I think Arthur believes what he says and doesn't sound like he just repeating what the big boys are saying down the pub.

Cheers

Grim

Alright let's not make it personal.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by peanut

He's much more relentless, tedious and annoying than Arthur, to the point it turns me away from this site.

Just saying....

[heero_yuy]

According to my redtop the core of his speech was written in the 80's and had been rejected by every Labour leader since.

Mr Corbyn’s panicked aides at first denied the boob, insisting just he and one close adviser had put the speech together, with any similarities “a big coincidence”.

But an hour later, after a rushed phone call to original writer Richard Heller, they admitted chunks of the work had been lifted.

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It was also very short of real policies: What about Trident jobs, the EU, immigration, the deficit, the Blier Years and illegal wars, military spending, how he'd finance his benefits splurge, our relationship with the US and the drubbing that Labour got in the election?

What we did get was a load of Marxist waffle.

Be in no doubt it's tax, spend and a ruined economy with resulting rampant inflation. Policies that have failed every time they're tried.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

It's getting a bit boring/predictable now.

Cheers

Grim

What is getting boring & predictable is how people and some parts of the press are discussing Corbyn and his policies as if he has proper grown up ideas rather than policies that have been proven to be unworkable (unless you actually want to grind a country down).
It's like some people have forgotten the total shambles of brutality and wishful thinking that was the soviet union. The wheel turns and there are a whole new bunch of rose tinted idiots who either think that this time it will all work out or have simply never learnt the lessons of the past in the first place.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

What we did get was a load of Marxist waffle.

Be in no doubt it's tax, spend and a ruined economy with resulting rampant inflation. Policies that have failed every time they're tried.

Exactly

[nomadking]

The danger is that if you don't show up the obvious flaws in his policies, it would be too late once people voted him in because they are not capable of seeing it for themselves.

[heero_yuy]

My redtop today has a list of people with really boring hobbies, this guy stood out though:

This tedius chap must be a bit of a drain on conversation – he’s obsessed with manhole covers. Politician Jeremy Corbyn, 66, from Islington, North London, collects photographs of the cast iron fittings.

He said: “My mother always said there’s history in drain covers. I take pictures of them.

“People think it’s a little odd, but there we are.”

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Oh dear.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

What is getting boring & predictable is how people and some parts of the press are discussing Corbyn and his policies as if he has proper grown up ideas rather than policies that have been proven to be unworkable (unless you actually want to grind a country down).
It's like some people have forgotten the total shambles of brutality and wishful thinking that was the soviet union. The wheel turns and there are a whole new bunch of rose tinted idiots who either think that this time it will all work out or have simply never learnt the lessons of the past in the first place.

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Exactly

It's only 'tedious' to who have no answers and are comforted by simplistic nonsense. The usual suspects who've learned nothing from the past.

Corbyn talks about debate and consensus but then tells everyone he'd refuse to use nuclear weapons under any circumstances. That doesn't seem like evidence of someone interested in debate and consensus. Corbyn's behaving like he's still a bankbencher few people ever listened to.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Osem

Corbyn talks about debate and consensus but then tells everyone he'd refuse to use nuclear weapons under any circumstances. That doesn't seem like evidence of someone interested in debate and consensus. Corbyn's behaving like he's still a bankbencher few people ever listened to.

On the public record of how trident works (true or not) the prime minister can order them not to retaliate with nuclear weapons (since doing so could be akin to causing human extinction). However, the whole point is you don't TELL THEM you aren't going to retaliate. Bloody hell!

Originally Posted by Ramrod

What is getting boring & predictable is how people and some parts of the press are discussing Corbyn and his policies as if he has proper grown up ideas rather than policies that have been proven to be unworkable (unless you actually want to grind a country down).
It's like some people have forgotten the total shambles of brutality and wishful thinking that was the soviet union. The wheel turns and there are a whole new bunch of rose tinted idiots who either think that this time it will all work out or have simply never learnt the lessons of the past in the first place.

The press have hardly been kind to Corbyn for the most part. He is bound to at least attract some praise from left-wing papers but I hardly think you can complain he hasn't had a tough time from the media at large. That is their job after all.

I don't think constant comparisons to the Soviet Union help. It seems be a default reaction to everything but it's no more useful than accusing the Conservatives of wanting to price the poor out of medical care and generally aiming to bring about a brutal dystopian state with unrestrained capitalism.

The thing is Corbyn's views will gain traction in the area left for him by the Tories refusal to do anything substantive about the housing crisis. The thing with simplistic populist policy is that it can be quite popular and easy for people to connect with.

Originally Posted by Osem

It's only 'tedious' to who have no answers and are comforted by simplistic nonsense.

I don't recall people finding that a problem with Farage.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think constant comparisons to the Soviet Union help. It seems be a default reaction to everything but it's no more useful than accusing the Conservatives of wanting to price the poor out of medical care and generally aiming to bring about a brutal dystopian state with unrestrained capitalism.

I think that in Corbyns case, comparisons to the USSR are entirely appropriate.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I think that in Corbyns case, comparisons to the USSR are entirely appropriate.

More so than usual I'll admit...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

The press have hardly been kind to Corbyn for the most part. He is bound to at least attract some praise from left-wing papers but I hardly think you can complain he hasn't had a tough time from the media at large. That is their job after all.

I don't think constant comparisons to the Soviet Union help. It seems be a default reaction to everything but it's no more useful than accusing the Conservatives of wanting to price the poor out of medical care and generally aiming to bring about a brutal dystopian state with unrestrained capitalism.

The thing is Corbyn's views will gain traction in the area left for him by the Tories refusal to do anything substantive about the housing crisis. The thing with simplistic populist policy is that it can be quite popular and easy for people to connect with.




I don't recall people finding that a problem with Farage.

Well I think that's because a whole lot of what he said made some sense given the world we're living in and that isn't the case with Corbyn. Farage has been proved right about the problems of mass migration and the vast numbers of people who either have the right to go where they want or are willing to take that right by force if necessary. He was denounced for scaremongering but the evidence is there for all to see with borders being closed and fences erected in order to stem the tide. Too little to late.

Anyway, how can anyone seriously argue that we should get rid of our nuclear weapons at a time when the world is in such turmoil? I think the Ukranians probably regret getting rid of theirs given recent events and these are not weapons you can simply conjure up at a moment's notice when the muck hits the fan.

For any would be PM to make such an unequivocal statement shows Corbyn to be dangerously naïve and/or willing to undermine the UK's national security.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by downquark1

On the public record of how trident works (true or not) the prime minister can order them not to retaliate with nuclear weapons (since doing so could be akin to causing human extinction). However, the whole point is you don't TELL THEM you aren't going to retaliate. Bloody hell!

It's like something out of a comedy sketch

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by peanut

He's much more relentless, tedious and annoying than Arthur, to the point it turns me away from this site.

Just saying....

Ignore trolls and idiots