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Originally Posted by Moldova

I was born in England and therefore I am English and any form I fill in should have that option.

What about you being Welsh are you happy to tick the White British box or should it not be White Welsh.

why do recipients of these forms need to know if we are white or black anyway? ,i always wondered
i cannot think of anything that is unique to blacks or white or white british/brown british and so on

Originally Posted by Moldova

I was born in England and therefore I am English and any form I fill in should have that option.

What about you being Welsh are you happy to tick the White British box or should it not be White Welsh.

Perhaps because, excepting for sport, we are recognised internationally as UK/British citizens - my passport says "British Citizen".

Originally Posted by Chris

Yeah, how dare they want to live close to people of similar tastes and experiences. I mean, it's not as if ex-pat Brits like to live in white ghettos and refuse to learn the local language, is it ...

Chris sometimes you can be a real plonker,

the examples in newcastle i gave are not unique to newcastle this sort of concentration of immigrants happens in all the major cities and is detremental to proper intergration and mixing of the different cultures .Instead what happens as in the west road area or little india as it is now known we get 90% asian population which inturn leads to a seperate culture arising in that area .

If these immigrants are comming to this country for a better life than they would otherwise get in their own country then they should accept that they cannot have everthing their own way ,We should not encourage asians or poles or whatever culture to group together or what was the point of them comming here ?

Originally Posted by martyh

why do recipients of these forms need to know if we are white or black anyway? ,i always wondered
i cannot think of anything that is unique to blacks or white or white british/brown british and so on

Because, in the past (shock, horror, hard to believe I know), people were discriminated against just because they came from another country or were differently tinted, skin-colour wise; if it was recorded on official forms (including employment), it would be easier to analyse statistics about these things.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Chris sometimes you can be a real plonker,

the examples in newcastle i gave are not unique to newcastle this sort of concentration of immigrants happens in all the major cities and is detremental to proper intergration and mixing of the different cultures .Instead what happens as in the west road area or little india as it is now known we get 90% asian population which inturn leads to a seperate culture arising in that area .

If these immigrants are comming to this country for a better life than they would otherwise get in their own country then they should accept that they cannot have everthing their own way ,We should not encourage asians or poles or whatever culture to group together or what was the point of them comming here ?

As Chris pointed out before, how is this different from UK ex-pats in Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, et al, all living in the same areas?

Originally Posted by martyh

Chris sometimes you can be a real plonker,

the examples in newcastle i gave are not unique to newcastle this sort of concentration of immigrants happens in all the major cities and is detremental to proper intergration and mixing of the different cultures .Instead what happens as in the west road area or little india as it is now known we get 90% asian population which inturn leads to a seperate culture arising in that area .

If these immigrants are comming to this country for a better life than they would otherwise get in their own country then they should accept that they cannot have everthing their own way ,We should not encourage asians or poles or whatever culture to group together or what was the point of them comming here ?

Why thank you.

It seems to me that you think the main benefit for a Pakistani or Polish family coming to the UK is the privilege of living next door to a nice English family. After all, if they don't have nice English neighbours, if they choose to have an Asian or East European neighbour instead, as you say, what's the point in them coming? Of course, being able to live in a politically stable country with good quality public services has got nothing to do with it. Because you don't get any of those if you choose to live next door to someone who speaks the same language as you.

And you think I'm a plonker!

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Because, in the past (shock, horror, hard to believe I know), people were discriminated against just because they came from another country or were differently tinted, skin-colour wise; if it was recorded on official forms (including employment), it would be easier to analyse statistics about these things.

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As Chris pointed out before, how is this different from UK ex-pats in Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, et al, all living in the same areas?

because for british expats they aren't leaving through necessity like oppression or poverty ,they are living there out of choice ,they have bought a different way of life out of choice

There is also an area in newcastle ,in fact there are 2, Darras Hall and Fenham were alot of indian expats have moved ,these are ,doctors ,lawers company owners ect, they have embraced the British culture whilst keeping as much of their own as they choose ,On the other side of the coin are those who have moved here and refuse point blank to accept our culture and insist on having their own culture imposed in whatever area they live

Originally Posted by martyh

because for british expats they aren't leaving through necessity like oppression or poverty ,they are living there out of choice ,they have bought a different way of life out of choice

That's white supremacist nonsense.

Originally Posted by Chris

Why thank you.

It seems to me that you think the main benefit for a Pakistani or Polish family coming to the UK is the privilege of living next door to a nice English family. After all, if they don't have nice English neighbours, if they choose to have an Asian or East European neighbour instead, as you say, what's the point in them coming? Of course, being able to live in a politically stable country with good quality public services has got nothing to do with it. Because you don't get any of those if you choose to live next door to someone who speaks the same language as you.

And you think I'm a plonker!

so you accept that they are comming here because their own country is lacking in stability or has no proper public services ,I believe that also.
The difference between me and you is i believe they should fight to get these privelages, which every human on the planet should have,and we (the west )should help them get it not just allow them to move to another country or the problems they faced in their own country will just follow them ,as is beginning to happen here

Well they'd hardly be queueing up to get into the country if it was a hellhole, would they? Congratulations Sherlock, for your insight into the totally flaming obvious.

The issue isn't why they come, it's whether we have room - we do - and whether they have something to offer that enriches the country while they're here. The various large-scale migrations into the UK during the 20th century brought us a lot of people who have for the most part worked hard, paid taxes and, as others have pointed out earlier in this thread, very often done so whilst taking on the sorts of jobs a lot of Brits nowadays consider beneath them.

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by martyh

because for british expats they aren't leaving through necessity like oppression or poverty ,they are living there out of choice ,they have bought a different way of life out of choice

So you are saying that its OK to go to another country by your own choice and force changes in the area you and others like you choose to live!!!

Or is it OK for us to do it in other countries just as long as it's not ours.

JJ

Originally Posted by Chris

That's white supremacist nonsense.

how the hell do you work that out?
when was the last time a white British person tried to claim Asylum in spain or cyprus?

they buy retirement homes ,holiday homes or just move for the sun cos there're sick of the rain

you really should get out more Chris and have a look at the real world without the rose tinted specs because there are some bad things happening and people like you are going to get caught out with your head buried in the sand

And i'm in no way a white supremist that is just laughable

Well, I bet I have more air miles than you. Long haul ones as well. Not that I'm interested in having a world traveller peeing contest with you.

It's white supremacist nonsense to suggest that we can go and live in English-speaking ghettos in other countries because we come from a rich and stable culture and have therefore earned the right.

Originally Posted by Chris

Well they'd hardly be queueing up to get into the country if it was a hellhole, would they? Congratulations Sherlock, for your insight into the totally flaming obvious.

The issue isn't why they come, it's whether we have room - we do - and whether they have something to offer that enriches the country while they're here. The various large-scale migrations into the UK during the 20th century brought us a lot of people who have for the most part worked hard, paid taxes and, as others have pointed out earlier in this thread, very often done so whilst taking on the sorts of jobs a lot of Brits nowadays consider beneath them.

of course the issue is why they come when you 1000's of fake asylum seekers dissapearing into a system that cannot cope
The example of Darras hall i gave you is a classic example of indian migrants comming in the 50's and 60's working hard and now living in 1/2 million + houses no problem at all there
the example i gave you of the West road area is of modern migrants living (mostly)on benefits or working the black market making no contribution to society apart from raising the local crime rate
And what's wrong with the west helping third world countries to get the same political stability and public services as us?instead

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Originally Posted by Chris

It's white supremacist nonsense to suggest that we can go and live in English-speaking ghettos in other countries because we come from a rich and stable culture and have therefore earned the right.

were have i suggested that ?
you're trying to put meaning into my posts that isn't there AGAIN

And i will thank you to stop using that highly offensive and stupid phrase "white supremist"
I am in no way a bigot or racist i just have different opinions to you and will not be accused of being "white supremist"

Originally Posted by martyh

of course the issue is why they come when you 1000's of fake asylum seekers dissapearing into a system that cannot cope

Strange how they 'disappear' yet you seem to know where they all are. Why not phone the Borders Agency and tip them off?

The example of Darras hall i gave you is a classic example of indian migrants comming in the 50's and 60's working hard and now living in 1/2 million + houses no problem at all there

Wow, how generous of you to give them your approval, I'm sure they felt they needed it.

the example i gave you of the West road area is of modern migrants living (mostly)on benefits or working the black market making no contribution to society apart from raising the local crime rate

And your proof for this ... ?

And what's wrong with the west helping third world countries to get the same political stability and public services as us?

Nothing. But that's not what you said earlier. Earlier on, you were trying to suggest that it is ok for English people to go abroad, live with other English people and not learn the local language, while at the same time saying it's not ok for an Asian to to come here, want to live with other Asian people and to speak his native language with them. And so far as I can see, your only reason for justifying this is that when the English do it, they're allowed to because they're exporting a superior culture and their wealth. That is white supremacist nonsense, and I will point that out wherever I find it, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you feel.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

That is white supremacist nonsense, and I will point that out wherever I find it, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you feel.

We know not to have you 2 on the sit down immigration debate, don't we.