Madeleine McCann

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Did Maddie's parents leave her and her siblings alone in order for them to be abducted, or did the thought of such a crime occuring not cross their minds?

Does someone over the limit (who also may not believe they are over) leave the house in order to cause an accident?

If they think they are under the limit and then its discovered they are over then should they not be punished?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by gazzae

Sounds a bit far fetched to me, any links?

I would say the first one was an accident who expects someone to be hiding in a hedge?

If the second was caused by dangerous driving then yes he should face charges.

First heard about it 15 years or so ago, so no links.

However there is this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3534320.stm

Husband was up a ladder using a chainsaw, fell and killed his wife.

[Ramrod]

Whats done is done. Blame should perhaps be left for when Maddie has been found?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by gazzae

Does someone over the limit (who also may not believe they are over) leave the house in order to cause an accident?

If they think they are under the limit and then its discovered they are over then should they not be punished?

There's enough information out there to let people know that it should be none for the road as everyone reacts to alcohol differently.
If someone has a drink, they know it impares their functions, even slightly, and therefore increases the chance of having an accident.

And surely any parent knows the risks of leaving defenseless children?

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Whats done is done. Blame should perhaps be left for when Maddie has been found?

chances are she isnt gonna be so you saying we should never highlight what has happened here and just let it happen again and again? leaving children as young as this is wrong and I do not understand why some of you are sugar coating it

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

And surely any parent knows the risks of leaving defenseless children?

The last thing I'd expect is for someone to break into the apartment and abduct a child.

Out at the beach yes maybe, or at the park or while shopping, but not deliberately break in to take her.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

If I left a child and went to the pub and the house burned down would you all be so understanding then??

They might be pretty understanding if you had friends and neighbours in the next room or you'd paid staff to be at your house, from what I've heard and read you can't really compare leaving a child at home whilst the parents go down the pub with this, I could be wrong though, I am only basing this on what people who have stayed at the complex have said

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

chances are she isnt gonna be so you saying we should never highlight what has happened here and just let it happen again and again?

I suspect that it doesn't really need highlighting any more...

Originally Posted by Xaccers

There's enough information out there to let people know that it should be none for the road as everyone reacts to alcohol differently...

There is also enough information out there to let people know that leaving 2 & 3 year olds on their own, unattended is downright negligent.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

...If someone has a drink, they know it impares their functions, even slightly, and therefore increases the chance of having an accident.

If someone leaves their child alone, they know it greatly increases the chance of that child being abducted.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by XFS03

There is also enough information out there to let people know that leaving 2 & 3 year olds on their own, unattended is downright negligent.

Mothers do it all the time all over the world, either physically leaving them, or by catching up on some well deserved sleep.
Don't forget, if you're bathing one child, the other is normally left alone in another room, after all, you shouldn't leave a child in the bath.

If someone leaves their child alone, they know it greatly increases the chance of that child being abducted.

Hardly.
If you left a child alone in your house for 2 hours, would you expect it to be abducted?
Not unless you believe there's "lone child radar" fitted to all abducters!
They had no way of knowing that their daughter had been targetted, and as has already been pointed out, if they hadn't taken her during the night, then they'd have grabbed their oppertunity at another time.
Wasn't it her bedroom window that was forced open?
Her siblings weren't woken either were they?
So you're saying that if her parents were next door, then the window would have made more noise? Or the abducter would have made more noise? Simply because the parents were in the next room?
How do you work that one out?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They might be pretty understanding if you had friends and neighbours in the next room or you'd paid staff to be at your house, from what I've heard and read you can't really compare leaving a child at home whilst the parents go down the pub with this, I could be wrong though, I am only basing this on what people who have stayed at the complex have said

From waht the parents have said in their interviews, thy felt that going to the restaurant "was no different to eating in the garden". They also reprtedly said that everyone in the complex looked out for each other's kids, even though they had made no arrangements for other people to keep an eye out on their children.

What is fact is that they didnt pay for child care arrangements (even though it was available in the complex) and they left the apartment unlocked.

I think that is highly negligent, on par with Zings example.

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Originally Posted by XFS03

There is also enough information out there to let people know that leaving 2 & 3 year olds on their own, unattended is downright negligent.


If someone leaves their child alone, they know it greatly increases the chance of that child being abducted.

I'd say that it greatly increases the chances of something happening to them, not necessarily abduction, and is downright negligent and irresponsible.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

From waht the parents have said in their interviews, thy felt that going to the restaurant "was no different to eating in the garden". They also reprtedly said that everyone in the complex looked out for each other's kids, even though they had made no arrangements for other people to keep an eye out on their children.

What is fact is that they didnt pay for child care arrangements (even though it was available in the complex) and they left the apartment unlocked.

I think that is highly negligent, on par with Zings example.

I heard that the complex is very geared towards children to, although I believe I am right in saying that they went away with several friends and their families, it could be argued that the children had a close family friend literally in the next room.

Didn't the intruder break in at the rear of the apartment, I seem to remember something about jemmy's and doors being mentioned

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I suspect that it doesn't really need highlighting any more...

why not people keep highlighting the bleeding heart side so why shouldn't I highlight my point?

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Mothers do it all the time all over the world, either physically leaving them, or by catching up on some well deserved sleep.
Don't forget, if you're bathing one child, the other is normally left alone in another room, after all, you shouldn't leave a child in the bath.



Hardly.
If you left a child alone in your house for 2 hours, would you expect it to be abducted?
Not unless you believe there's "lone child radar" fitted to all abducters!
They had no way of knowing that their daughter had been targetted, and as has already been pointed out, if they hadn't taken her during the night, then they'd have grabbed their oppertunity at another time.
Wasn't it her bedroom window that was forced open?
Her siblings weren't woken either were they?
So you're saying that if her parents were next door, then the window would have made more noise? Or the abducter would have made more noise? Simply because the parents were in the next room?
How do you work that one out?

do we know for a fact the 2 years didnt wake up who did they tell they slept through it?

If you leave a mobile phone while your taking a leak is it easier to take then than if you sat with it on the table?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

do we know for a fact the 2 years didnt wake up who did they tell they slept through it?

Populated appartment block, if the kids made sufficient noise it would have alerted others. There's been no reports of witnesses hearing a thing.
Do you really think that the parents in another room would have made the abducters produce more noise so they'd be heard?

If you leave a mobile phone while your taking a leak is it easier to take then than if you sat with it on the table?

If I leave it out of sight, then the only way someone will know about it is if they're planning on taking it and have watched me with it and where I've put it. In which case they're planning on taking it no matter what, either if I leave it, or through picking my pocket when I'm looking the other way, or through bashing me over the head after I leave then taking it.
If no one is watching what I do with my phone, then if it's out of sight no one will know it's there in order to take it.

Do you really think the abductors didnt know they were out? i accept they targeted her but it makes no difference to me the parents should not have left the children