All F1 2004 Discussions

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Graham

But practically *every* part on an F1 car is critical! Should they have been forced to retire the car instead of fix it?

What about all those cars that lose front wings?

fair point , but generally a rear wing failure is far more serious than a front wing failure

[keithwalton]

Rear wings are designed to be changed fast (though nothing compared to fronts) it could be argued that the replacement wing was actually stronger than the one that came off *before* it was broken. As the new wing is well that new, the other would have done at least 6 laps allready from qualyfying, probably more as unless they have a wear issue it would stay on all weekend.
Rear wing faliures rarely occur at the mounting points themselves though entire mounts have been known to come unstuck. We havent seen this for a few years now though we have seen elements fracture and detach in quite spectacular fashion (mclaren and jordon have experienced this recently)

If you watched qualy you'd of seen the toyota crew fixing zonta's car after he went off in pre-q, that involved quite alot of changes. with enough people power you can change most stuff in 10-15 mins, including an engine, though rarely happens in a race because you'd fall to far behind. If the race has a high attrition of cars it has been known for cars to be in the pits for 15mins + then go out and try and score some pts

[sherer]

from the BBC web site

Hakkinen, the last driver tofinish above Michael Schumacher in the drivers' world title back in 1999, has been rumoured to have attracted interest from both Williams and BMW.

not sure who I would pick myself.. probably Williams as they have had more recent success although BMW would probably be a good team to join as well

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by sherer

from the BBC web site



not sure who I would pick myself.. probably Williams as they have had more recent success although BMW would probably be a good team to join as well

bmw - williams unless they are going to start there own team next season

[sherer]

well Jaguar have gone and to be honest i'm not that sorry to see them go. Ford never realy committed to the project and they expected to be winning races with no budget or testing. Not what you expect from a big car company like Ford.

Just hope Christian Horner and his F3000 team can buy them out then we will have someone who wants to be in F1.

Not sure what is happening with the Cosworth engines hopefully they will still be sold or there will be real problems for the grid next year.

[Jonboy]

Cant Say I Am Sorry To See Jag Now Out Of F1 Just A Shame It Will Affect So Many People's Lives

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Jonboy

Cant Say I Am Sorry To See Jag Now Out Of F1 Just A Shame It Will Affect So Many People's Lives

why

hopefully they will get bought and rise like the phoenix

[Jonboy]

Job Losses Pauly it will have one hell of a knock-on effect it will affect more than just the people working at the jag factory

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Jonboy

Job Losses Pauly it will have one hell of a knock-on effect it will affect more than just the people working at the jag factory

what i meant was why did you say you arent sorry about jag being out of f1 , i agree on the job losses though , all the companies that supply them will suffer , even down to the sandwich van that is bound to go calling there

[sherer]

the team never really put the effort in or seemed committed. GThey just thought because they were Ford they should be winning.. They went through about 5 team principals as well

if Christian Horder buys them out then someone committed to running a F1 team will be there instead.

if they don't get there then one of the other F1 teams will have to run three cars. If that happens I think they should make Williams, Ferrari and McLaren run three cars... It won't give an advantage to the other 2 teams that aren't running three cars and might give us some excitement as well

[sherer]

Vileneuve is back, driving for Renault this weekend, and at a new circuit so on abit of a level playing field. Also Glock has replaced Pantano at Jordan. Should be a good race, I hope.

Don't think I can be bothered to get up early though just in case it is rubbish

[Matth]

The biggest problem with Jaguar (Ford) leaving is not the loss of one team, but the loss of an engine supplier to at least 2 more teams.

Can F1 survive? - it used to be a race of technology development, Turbo, ABS, Traction control, Active suspension - now the biggest excitement seems to be the perpetual meddling with the rules.

[Jonboy]

Poor Michael And Bruv ralf

Well IMO Shanghai was a pretty good race and, apart from the dusty concrete, a pretty good track too.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Graham

Well IMO Shanghai was a pretty good race and, apart from the dusty concrete, a pretty good track too.

thought so as well , some good overtaking opportunities , mind you it must have been real slippery