Cap

[Sociable]

Originally posted by Gandalf


The "Cap" ( ) does not bother me one bit. I personally only think it comes into play if your area is in bad shape and your downloading big files (that being anything people down :p )

Its not a problem for me as I never go over it anyway

Quick questions for you as a Mod on this new board.

Does the fact it bothers some of us bother you?

Or are you and the other mods only going to support issues if they affect you personally?

Even those that have no objection to the cap itself should be concerned about how it was introduced and its longer term implications for the service as a whole once the principle of unilaterally reducing what we get for our money is accepted.

I am reminded of an old maxim: "All that is required for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."

[Ben]

Originally posted by Sociable
Quick questions for you as a Mod on this new board.

Sure not a problem

Does the fact it bothers some of us bother you?

Of course it does .. Ok fair enough I personally don't have a problem with the "Cap" others do and I can understand that.

Or are you and the other mods only going to support issues if they affect you personally?

Why would we only support issues that only affect us

[Sociable]

Originally posted by Gandalf
Sure not a problem

Of course it does .. Ok fair enough I personally don't have a problem with the "Cap" others do and I can understand that.

Why would we only support issues that only affect us

Reason I ask is that the "I'm not concerned because it doesn't affect me" seems to be a popular attitude as far as the cap is concerned.

I and I suspect others are watching and waiting to get a feel for the attitude of the Mods on important issues like this as an indication of how this new board will be run.

I also suspect that at least a few would have taken a different view about the Cap on the com site had it not been taken over by NTL. My question was therefore aimed at inviting the Mods to exercise their new-found freedom and speak their minds unfettered by the affiliation to NTL.

I for one respect that not all share my views on the cap and have tried throughout to carry on a dialogue with those that have different opinions in an attempt to find a workable compromise as I suspect this is the only way forward on this issue.

Hope this clarifies my post as I did not wish to imply you would behave badly in fact I rather hoped to simply get confirmation that you and the other mods would not.

[poolking]

Originally posted by Sociable
Reason I ask is that the "I'm not concerned because it doesn't affect me" seems to be a popular attitude as far as the cap is concerned.

Of course that will be the attitude. Why beat yourself up about something that isnt going to affect you?

[Sociable]

Originally posted by poolking
Of course that will be the attitude. Why beat yourself up about something that isnt going to affect you?

Because:

A: It is often the right thing to do. I personally am not affected by the cap directly but that does not stop me seeing objecting to it is not just right but also makes sense as the cap was badly thought out and how it was introduced was inexcusable.

B: It may affect you down the line if they lower the guideline or use the same device to introduce some other "new" rule which does affect you.

To give you an example let me pose a question.

Would you object if disability benefits were halved?

It may not affect you now but I assume you might well see that defending the rights of others would be right.

Even if you can't see the right in standing up against such bad decisions even if they dont affect you it is in your own interest to do so purely on the grounds of "there but for the grace of god go you or I" or possibly because at some point in the future you will be the one affected by something and wanting support from others who are not.

[poolking]

I would do something if it did affect me, but the internet does not rule my life, so why should I worry about it?

If it worries people so much, change broadband provider or change to a business account.

[wizardman]

its not gonna affect me neither but theres nothin in force properly that they can do coz nobody as ad a email or call yet have they
and if there is i would like to here from them

[kronas]

Originally posted by poolking
I would do something if it did affect me, but the internet does not rule my life, so why should I worry about it?

If it worries people so much, change broadband provider or change to a business account.

it affects me i have tryed doing somehing about it

i dont want to change provider due to NTL providing me with an excellent broadband service 99% uptime/maxspeed in a few years on broadband is excellent that 1% is maintanance :p

[obvious]

Originally posted by poolking
I would do something if it did affect me, but the internet does not rule my life, so why should I worry about it?

If it worries people so much, change broadband provider or change to a business account.

The old 'thin end of the wedge' argument comes into play here. I've used the analogy before that it's pointless running for cover under the branches of another ISP as when the rain spreads, you're still gonna get wet.

Or more simply, if people who are unhappy with it change providers, ntl will be seen to have won and all we'll get is 'heavy' users getting chased from provider to provider.

If it wasn't for 'heavy' users driving development, we probably wouldnt even have broadband.

Of course not everyone is going to want to take a stand against the cap and that's completely up to the individual

[Stuart W]

Originally posted by obvious
If it wasn't for 'heavy' users driving development, we probably wouldnt even have broadband.

Realy?

No, REALY?

I would say these 'heavy' users are the ones who download films / music from KrapZaa and burn to disc to sell at boot sales!

All the "heavy" users that drove developement are usualy legitematley using the service. All the 'heavy users' that screw things up for the rest of us are just plain selfish.

As I said before, the "CAP" is only there to give ntl a reason to drop the pi$$ takers.

ntl are very poor at enforcing things.... proof being:-

Amount of STB's which have been "chipped" available. (both analogue & digital).
Amount of cable modems on-line with NO BILLING AT ALL due to incompitance.

I could also go into detail about them writing to me about my usage and quoting two totaly unconnected parts of the T&C as a reason to disconnect me, but last time I did that, everyone decided to slate me for uncapping, not read into the full reasoning. If you want details, PM me.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by kronas
not if we fight it roddy consumer power CAN make a diffarence we must stand up to these compaines

It'll be one hell of a fight and I don't think that it is winnable in the long run

[DES_1001]

right my turn for the silly question! from what i can gather you are not sopposed to go over 1gb a day, for more than 3 days in 14!! Is this any 3 days in 14, or 3 days on the trot in any 14 day period? Sorry for asking but it's the one thing i have never been sure of.

[Sociable]

Originally posted by DES_1001
right my turn for the silly question! from what i can gather you are not sopposed to go over 1gb a day, for more than 3 days in 14!! Is this any 3 days in 14, or 3 days on the trot in any 14 day period? Sorry for asking but it's the one thing i have never been sure of.

From the wording used it is ANY three days in any rolling 14 day period.

First day you go over starts the clock so if within the next 13 days you go over again twice you have breached the guideline.

First day drops off after this so a new period will have started from the next time you went over.

Hope that clarifies the situation.

[DES_1001]

yes it does, thanks very much

[Sociable]

Originally posted by Ramrod
It'll be one hell of a fight and I don't think that it is winnable in the long run

Many said the same when we stuck to our guns over the price of the 1 meg service but few complained when we got NTL to agree to the £34.99 instead of £50.

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