Merged-Shipman found dead.

[Marge]

Originally Posted by Nor

This is the bit I can't get. I can totally understand you saying, you always thought he was a nice fella up until he was found guilty of murder, cos he was always friendly, nice, polite, caring etc. That he fooled you just like he fooled everyone else. But how can you say he's still a nice fella even after knowing he murdered over 200 people.

Nice fellas don't kill people and when I say he was a nice fella I'm going from the time when I was in contact with him, I'm not saying he's still a nice person.

Anyway off now to walk into Hyde (car still not fixed) as I about to run out of medication so back later, I'm sure Hyde will be full of media etc which is strange cos there's nothing really to see

Edit: A couple of GP's who worked locally had been accused of "inappropriate behaviour" and yes I could believe it of them as they had behaved strangely on meetings we had attended, in fact we steered clear of these GP's. People usually give something away in their behaviour if something isn't quite right, working in a surgery for over 3 years gave me a lot of experience.

[Nor]

Okay mate, I'm genuinely sorry and apologise for having a go at you, I've clearly misread it. If its just that you were hoodwinked along with everyone else into thinking he was a nice person and don't believe that any longer once you found out what he'd been doing I can completely understand that position.

[downquark1]

Why do they need an enquiry into the suicide? It's impossible to monitor 24 hours and as an 'expert' said, if someone it determined to take their life there's no stopping them.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Why do they need an enquiry into the suicide? It's impossible to monitor 24 hours and as an 'expert' said, if someone it determined to take their life there's no stopping them.

Because if they can find out if he showed any signs of being suicidal they'll know what to look for in anyone else who suicidal but not on suicide watch.
Suicide watch means checking them every 15mins, which can give them enough of a chance to revive someone who's managed to hang themselves.
Also, if he was showing known signs and they were missed, then the prison forces messed up in not keeping him on suicide watch.

Originally Posted by downquark1

Why do they need an enquiry into the suicide? It's impossible to monitor 24 hours and as an 'expert' said, if someone it determined to take their life there's no stopping them.

There is also the issue that it needs to be definitively demonstrated that this was indeed suicide. I was listening to a radio phone-in this morning where someone was expressing a similar sentiment (albeit in a somewhat more ranting tone). Basically they were saying that now he is dead let's be done with it and move on.

While I appreciate that all of the current signs do indeed suggest it was suicide, it is critical that the facts are established and the cause of death investigated. If, and it is a big if, he was killed by a prison officer, a failure to establish all the facts would essentially provide the prison service with a licence to "execute" any prisoner they felt like with impunity. Alternatively, a prison officer could have deliberately failed to act to prevent the suicide because they wanted him dead. Again, if this is the case we should establish those facts.