EU constution & Joining Europe

Originally Posted by downquark1

Hmmmmm, royal family removes democratically elected leader and replaces him with one or her own liking.

OR:

She could remove TB and begin a new election which wouldn't be so bad, but she would be accused of interfering and people would fear that she may recall another election if the result is 'unsatisfactory'.

The royals are hanging by a thread anyway, they are rich enough yet take tax payers money and all they do is the occaisonal appearance and tabloid scandel.

An easier solution would be the house of commons call for vote of no confidance. But since the torries aren't sure if they are ready for an election - it won't happen.

The Queen is supposed to be the guardian of the Constitution, so in taking action to prevent us adopting the EU constitution she would actually be doing her job instead of feeding scandal to the tabloids and opening buildings.

If this were ever to happen, She would not install a friendly PM in number 10; all that would be likely to happen would be she would dissolve Parliament and call a General Election, something she does once every four or five years anyway (although normally at the request of the Prime Minister). she would not even have to sack Blair as Prime Minister - the appointment of the PM and the election of the House of Commons are technically two entirely different processes.

The Queen could rightly point out that the British people coud sack the PM if they choose, by voting Labour out of office at the election.

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

So I'd just have to say the EU as it stands is not worth it, it'll only cause problems.

As for Mrs Windsor trying to assert 'her powers', would be exremely funny

Whilst I agree with what you say about the EU I think you misunderestimate the strength of support for the queen in both our Armed forces and Police force..

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Whilst I agree with what you say about the EU I think you misunderestimate the strength of support for the queen in both our Armed forces and Police force..

Exactly, while politicians show they have no real respect for what the forces do, the police and armed forces have a clear idea as to how much respect the Queen has for what they do, and the pride she takes in how well they do it.

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by downquark1

She could remove TB and begin a new election which wouldn't be so bad,

This is true but if Blair got re-elected the Queen's position would be as untenable as that of tony blairs if he was left unelected..

Originally Posted by downquark1

but she would be accused of interfering and people would fear that she may recall another election if the result is 'unsatisfactory'.

No I disagree, she would let the public decide and im 100% sure she would accept it .... We dont live in the days of Herny VIII anymore ....

Originally Posted by downquark1

The royals are hanging by a thread anyway, they are rich enough yet take tax payers money and all they do is the occaisonal appearance and tabloid scandel.

The Royals pay tax like everyone else and they also help bring in billions of £ of business which keep people in jobs...

Originally Posted by downquark1

An easier solution would be the house of commons call for vote of no confidance. But since the torries aren't sure if they are ready for an election - it won't happen.

It may happen if enough Labour and Ex Labour supporters write to their local Mps.

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Whilst I agree with what you say about the EU I think you misunderestimate the strength of support for the queen in both our Armed forces and Police force..

Well I wasn't thinking of any forceful rebellion a la* Civil War, I was mainly thinking of TB's face .

The concept of hereditary authority is completely alien to me though so I would like to see the abolition of the monarchy. Under the current 'queen' I don't think it's likely to happen, but after she abdicates/dies I think maybe we'll see some changes, though to what I don't know.


*can we use accented letters on the board, if so how?

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

*can we use accented letters on the board, if so how?

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Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

*can we use accented letters on the board, if so how?

either paste from 'character map' or use the 'ALT' + number method

e.g

ALT 0224 = ÃÃâ€*’ÂÂÂ

ALT 0225 = ÃÃâ€*’¡

ALT 0226 = ÃÃâ€*’¢

ALT 0227 = ÃÃâ€*’£

etc

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No, that's why she's seeking legal advice, she thinks that her priminister has lied to her about what effect the EU constitution will have.

Well I would say you need to see the response from the queen people like me have been getting. Especially when writing asking her how the constitutional changes affect her and questioning if she would consider withholding her Royal Assent..from the bill that would sign us up to the EU constitution.

Its why Blair is trying to push the EURO coin issue so much, instead he thinks we will all ignore the constitution issue if he does that...

Unfortunately a EURO coin vote is irrelevant if we sign up to the Constitution..

How can we possibly be part of Europe in the future without the EURO coin.....

Alongside this the issues with the Constitution are, in fact, far more important.

Euro or no Euro coin...

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Well I would say you need to see the response from the queen people like me have been getting.

Have you been getting a response form the Queen or from the palace?

If she did believe TB and thought there were no problems, then why seek legal advice stating some concerns?

[Tiptoes]

The palace.... and it says in full

"The Queen has received your recent letter on membership of the European Union and a possible referendum on the proposed EU constitutional treaty.As Her Majesty receives many letters on this it is not possible to send an individual reply to everyone"

"The Queen appreciates the thoughtfulness of correspondents who take the time to write and give her their views. Her Majesty follows, with interest, developments in the European Union and recognises that the United Kingdoms membership of The European Union id governed by treaties that were freely entered into, following all normal constitutional procedures

"The Queen does have prerogative and statutory powers, However, I ought to say that policy on United Kingdoms membership of the European Union is entirely a different matter for Her Majesty's Ministers. As such, The Queen;s own powers are exercised, by convention, on and in accordance with advice from those Ministers.

A copy of your letter is being Forwarded to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for the attention of the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs.



In other words a dictator is in charge of our country and she beleives what he says....

Well I dont know about you but are ther any similarities to the rise of hitler?

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by towny

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Ta muchly, won't let me edit my post now but I'll bear it in mind for the future

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

In other words a dictator is in charge of our country and she beleives what he says....

Well I dont know about you but are there any similarities to the rise of hitler?

Think though that if the 'queen' were to excersise the authority to call a General Election, would she be any more than a Dictator?

Tony Blair does need to be removed though, the best way is for a vote of no-confidence. Top up fees? Thanks **** I'm nearing the end of Uni.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

Think though that if the 'queen' were to excersise the authority to call a General Election, would she be any more than a Dictator?

Tony Blair does need to be removed though, the best way is for a vote of no-confidence. Top up fees? Thanks **** I'm nearing the end of Uni.

As has been said, she'd be doing her job.
It happened in Australia a couple of decades ago.

Tiptoes, that sounds to me like a normal response from the palace in these matters.
It's rather wooly and gives nothing to potential journalists.
They're hardly going to respond with "Her Majesty is extremely concerned with the situation and feels that exercising her powers to dissolve the goverment is the only option open to her."
They're saying that the decision to join is up to the ministers, it does not say that she wouldn't pull out the guns and kick political arse

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

As has been said, she'd be doing her job.

The same could be said for Tony Blair also, and at least he can say 'I was democratically elected for this position', the 'queen' cannot say the same. At the end of Labour's term in government, we will all have the opportunity to vote against TB, we have no chance of being able to the same with a monarch.

I don't want to get drawn into a queen vs. TB argument, because I don't support either, I was just using the above to express my feelings on why monarchy is wrong.

There's only one Queen for me...rock on

[Reginald Perrin]

I dont give a toss about the queen, I would however be interested in your dissertation. I'd welcome some knowledgeable discussion and listen to the pro's and con's. If a main plank of your objection is however, it will harm the monarchy, it wouldn't sway me, because I think they're a bunch of seriously disturbed scroungers.