No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans - Page 3

Russ · 31-05-2006, 14:32

Banning England shirts and flags on engineers and their vans is a very good thing IMO. I'm Welsh and certainly would find that intimidating, especially with the St George's flag being used by the BNP.

Nugget · 31-05-2006, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Womble

Another over reaction???? when was the first???

Harsh, extra cost in fuel, do me a favour

Well, in my opinion, you've over-reacted to the company saying that you can't put flags on the vans

If you want to get down to basics, then Gaz is right - anything extra on a car / van will affect fuel consumption, which affects costs. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean that it's not right.

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Originally Posted by Womble

The do pingpong balls for the ariels as well

So? They can still look rubbish when they're covered in all the dirt and spray that can get kicked up from the road.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 31-05-2006, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Banning England shirts and flags on engineers and their vans is a very good thing IMO. I'm Welsh and certainly would find that intimidating, especially with the St George's flag being used by the BNP.

Thing is by waving the st george's flag at occassions such sporting events for example, you are in fact reclaiming it from the association with the BNP. If I saw a van driven around with a st georges flag partially obscuring an NTL logo (which are also prominent on the back of vans are they not?) the last thing I'd think is that the BNP are cruising the streets for some 'p**i bashing'.

Jules · 31-05-2006, 14:40

The shirts I can understand but I really don't see the harm in the flags

Russ · 31-05-2006, 14:41

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Thing is by waving the st george's flag at occassions such sporting events for example, you are in fact reclaiming it from the association with the BNP. If I saw a van driven around with a st georges flag partially obscuring an NTL logo (which are also prominent on the back of vans are they not?) the last thing I'd think is that the BNP are cruising the streets for some 'p**i bashing'.

Don't worry about it mate, I didn't mean a word of it - I just wanted to see who the first person would be who thought I actually meant it

Pierre · 31-05-2006, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I worked in an american bank based in the UK where we were not client facing, and did not see any external people during work. We had a casual clothing policy which excluded collarless shirts, shorts, clothing with logos, flip flops, etc etc...This was also the same in the MArks & Sparks Head office in London. So companies can make restrictions on clothoing and it is also perfectly acceptable to do so.

That's fine they had certain restrictions.

What I was saying is if there are no restrictions normally, then to impose a ban specfically for the World Cup would be unreasonable

31-05-2006, 15:20

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Originally Posted by homealone

I am very definitely NOT joking.

Then I am afraid you need to get a life!! The increase in fuel???? you are mad :-(

I also agree with the shirts being a step to far, but the flags, what a sad country we live in

Thankyou for your opinion of my sanity, perhaps you would like to point me to any references which show where increased wind resistance doesn't cause increased fuel consumption, in order to substantiate that opinion?

As I said, a point you seem to have ignored, I have no problem with people exercising a right to fly a flag in their private car, but I don't see why their employer should pay increased fuel costs for similar use of a company vehicle. Should the employers be prepared to condone it, then I don't have a problem with that, either, I just think as it is their money, they have the right to spend it as they see fit...

Nugget · 31-05-2006, 15:27

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Originally Posted by homealone

Thankyou for your opinion of my sanity, perhaps you would like to point me to any references which show where increased wind resistance doesn't cause increased fuel consumption, in order to substantiate that opinion?

Trust me weeman - we know all about your sanity

Womble · 31-05-2006, 15:29

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Originally Posted by homealone

Thankyou for your opinion of my sanity, perhaps you would like to point me to any references which show where increased wind resistance doesn't cause increased fuel consumption, in order to substantiate that opinion?

As I said, a point you seem to have ignored, I have no problem with people exercising a right to fly a flag in their private car, but I don't see why their employer should pay increased fuel costs for similar use of a company vehicle. Should the employers be prepared to condone it, then I don't have a problem with that, either, I just think as it is their money, they have the right to spend it as they see fit...

I am sorry I started this thread! Had I known what a bunch of sour faced old gits there was here I would have never started it

Homealone. Quote me the differance in fuel consuption for a van with flags and one with out!!! I would be very interested to see the results, no doubt some sado has done the research

Pretty Please

31-05-2006, 15:31

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Trust me weeman - we know all about your sanity

Sssshhh

- you might, but I was fooling everyone else, up till then

Nugget · 31-05-2006, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Womble

I am sorry I started this thread! Had I known what a bunch of sour faced old gits there was here I would have never started it

Nobody here's sour faced (and I'm not that old

) - we just happen to disagree with you on this topic...

Saaf_laandon_mo · 31-05-2006, 15:35

We need a 'sour face old git' smiley............

etccarmageddon · 31-05-2006, 15:35

no denial of being gits though!

Nugget · 31-05-2006, 15:39

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

no denial of being gits though!

Hey, there's no way I'd get away with denying that one

31-05-2006, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Womble

Homealone. Quote me the differance in fuel consuption for a van with flags and one with out!!! I would be very interested to see the results, no doubt some sado has done the research

Pretty Please

Why do you disbelieve the concept that increased drag increases fuel consumption??

I'm not able to quantify it, but articles like this

http://www.jamjar.com/content/aboutu...ess160604.aspx

Mention that closing windows & not flying flags are one way to reduce fuel consumption.

The effect doesn't have to be massive on an individual van basis, but remember this thread is about running a fleet of vehicles - the cumulative effect of even small increases in fuel useage per van will add up across multiple vehicles. In my opinion this is a preventable cost I believe NTL are justified in preventing.