What is Huntley playing at...??

Originally Posted by Graham

I refer you to all my past messages about people who don't accept the presumption of innocence or even the *proof* of innocence when someone is acquitted of an offence.

They say things like: "Ah, but there's no smoke without fire" or "he wouldn't have been arrested if he wasn't guilty of something" etc etc.

Or, I might point out, call someone a "low life"...

Very true - it's difficult to keep a sense of perspective on this due to the harrowing nature of the crime, the weight of evidence against Huntly and the fact that what we know of his explanation so far seems so implausible. Nevertheless, there is a greater principle at work. A man must be considered wholly innocent until after conviction of a crime, or else innocent people will suffer. That might satisfy the blood lust of the mob, but it certainly does nothing for the victim, or their memory.

And another very important issue - if we're going to discuss Huntly's previous appearance in court on a rape charge, we have to bear in mind that he was cleared of that accusation and in law is therefore wholly blameless on that count. Insinuating otherwise, even if he is eventually convicted in this case, could be libellous.

[Tiptoes]

Graham what is your description of a man that is on charges for the murder of two innocent young girls who claims he accidentally killed them both at the same time. Whilst preparing to give his dog a bath?

After having tried to hide his misdemeanour by covering their bodies in lime so they decompose quickly then partially burying them and burning their clothes?

Did the magic tooth fairy come along and take their clothes off and burn them whilst he wasnt looking?

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Graham

I refer you to all my past messages about people who don't accept the presumption of innocence or even the *proof* of innocence when someone is acquitted of an offence.

They say things like: "Ah, but there's no smoke without fire" or "he wouldn't have been arrested if he wasn't guilty of something" etc etc.

Or, I might point out, call someone a "low life"...

I have not questioned this at all, I have posted my own peronal observations based on what I have seen and read.

He has admitted to being there at the time of their deaths, and merely asked some pertinent questions.

[magpie]

Originally Posted by towny

Very true - it's difficult to keep a sense of perspective on this due to the harrowing nature of the crime, the weight of evidence against Huntly and the fact that what we know of his explanation so far seems so implausible. Nevertheless, there is a greater principle at work. A man must be considered wholly innocent until after conviction of a crime, or else innocent people will suffer. That might satisfy the blood lust of the mob, but it certainly does nothing for the victim, or their memory.

Exactly. That is probably the most reasoned post in this thread so far.

Sorry Tiptoes - I can see where you're coming from, but mob mentality posts like these

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

they should just hang the ****er and have done with it.

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Pedos would think twice if they were hung in public.

do nothing but harm the credibility of your other points (imo).

I fully agree that this was a despicable crime, but that's no reason to abandon the principles of justice.

[Tiptoes]

Im afraid I agree with the principle of hanging for Child Murder and Multiple murder.

Provided there is DNA evidence linking the suspect to the Murder Case and it can be shown beyond allreasonable doubt that he is guilty.

Wouldnt want to the do-gooders shouting from the rooftops

[imback]

The thing that always makes me really cut up about this, is that no matter how he done it, one of those girls seen her best friend killed, and knew she was next.

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Im afraid I agree with the principle of hanging for Child Murder and Multiple murder.

Provided there is DNA evidence linking the suspect to the Murder Case and it can be shown beyond allreasonable doubt that he is guilty.

Wouldnt want to the do-gooders shouting from the rooftops

I disagree with the death penalty, but that's another discussion entirely. What is at issue here is the way in which someone is treated before their conviction.

For what it's worth, I find it nigh on impossible to see how Huntly could be innocent, but I'm refraining for discussing him as if he were guilty because I simply don't know for certain until an official verdict is pronounced by those 12 people in the best position to know.

The principle of innocent until proven otherwise is vital because there will be cases like this where on the face of it the accused is totally guilty, but is only after a lengthy court case found not to be so. There would be appalling miscarriages of justice if it were the other way round. Personally I am happy for Huntly to enjoy the status of 'not guilty' for a few more weeks (if indeed he is convicted at the end of this) than for perfectly innocent people to be labelled 'guilty' unless they can show they have done nothing wrong.

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by imback

The thing that always makes me really cut up about this, is that no matter how he done it, one of those girls seen her best friend killed, and knew she was next.

Yes and yes again thats why I say those who have perpetrated this crime be hanged by the neck.

[Tiptoes]

Sorry,

I get very frustrated with these cases.....

†™m not against the death penalty but if Huntley did go to prison he probably would get beaten up by other prisoners a lot which means that he will suffer a lot more if he goes to prison rather than just hang him. He deserves to suffer after what he has done

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Sorry,

I get very frustrated with these cases.....

Why? the crime has been committed and he is being trialed, likely to be proven guility - there isn't much else that can be done

[imback]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Yes and yes again thats why I say those who have perpetrated this crime be hanged by the neck.

You wont hear an argument form me against that mate. I'm with you 100%, my only worry would be if it was to quick for them.

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Graham what is your description of a man that is on charges

Innocent until proven guilty.

I think I have mentioned this before.

In fact I have, but let me say it again:

HE IS *INNOCENT* UNTIL *PROVEN* GUILTY!!!

I hope this makes it clear now.

[downquark1]

Whatever happened to that US marine who took that girl out of the country? Did the press forget the story or did I miss it?

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Why? the crime has been committed and he is being trialed, likely to be proven guility - there isn't much else that can be done

Yes there is we can ask the government to do a number of things


1. Bring back hanging for Child murders and multiple Murderers.

2. Force pedos to take chemicals or have implants to prevent them seeing children as sexual objects. When they want sex they are tagged and confined to their home.

These are positive solutions which would prevent any further action of this type by those same people.

Many comit this type of crime because they feel they can get away with it.

These measure will ensure that those who are caught and convicted cant..