f****** Welsh - Page 3

Gareth · 29-09-2005, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Millay

What do we want as a politician a saint? no chance...

Hmmm, Simon Templar as PM. Now that would be sooo cool

me283 · 29-09-2005, 07:54

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Originally Posted by Graham

What?! The Vicar of St Albions is *not* a candidate for sainthood?

Perish the thought...!

Graham, dod I detect a hint of cynicism in your posts lately? Surely not!

Anyway, I have thought sainthood was way too low for Tone... after all, doesn't he already consider himself as a cross between royalty and full-blown deity?

Salu · 29-09-2005, 08:56

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Originally Posted by Graham

What?! The Vicar of St Albions is *not* a candidate for sainthood?

Perish the thought...!

That should read "Parish the thought".....surely...

me283 · 29-09-2005, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Gareth

Hmmm, Simon Templar as PM. Now that would be sooo cool

Or maybe "Saint" Bob Geldof? With the added bonus that he says "F*** everyone"!

Orior · 29-09-2005, 11:42

Ach there's people going out of their way to get offended again.

In March 2002 David Trimble, leader of the Ulster Unionist Party called Ireland a "pathetic sectarian state". Never mind the irony in that but I think he was asked if he would apologise and he flatly refused. Point is you can get away with murder in Ireland ;-)

**Chris** · 29-09-2005, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Orior

Ach there's people going out of their way to get offended again.

In March 2002 David Trimble, leader of the Ulster Unionist Party called Ireland a "pathetic sectarian state". Never mind the irony in that but I think he was asked if he would apologise and he flatly refused. Point is you can get away with murder in Ireland ;-)

It's a good point. I think the nature of nationalism is different in Wales than elsewhere in the UK. The union of England and Scotland was a marriage of equals, and although England has come to dominate, Scotland still has a proud and confident political identity. When the Scots have a go at the English, they don't feel they are doing so from a sense of inferiority. When the English have a go at the Scots, there is similarly an underlying respect.

On the other hand, the Act of Union by which England effectively annexed Wales was one of the low points of centuries of military and political subjugation. There is no serious political identity in Wales (And don't anyone try to invoke Plaid Cymru, which is an utter joke), and the rich cultural identity the Welsh have is jealously (perhaps paranoidally) guarded. Welsh nationalism has a nasty side to it that Scottish nationalism does not. I and my friends have had 'tumbleweed moments' in rural Welsh pubs in which the regulars switched to speaking Welsh only after it became apparent the newcomers at the bar were English. Notwithstanding the fact that Gaelic is not so widespread in Scotland, you just don't get the same deliberate back-turning here.

That is not to say that there are no ignorant nationalists in Scotland, and I am certainly not painting all, or even most, or even many, Welsh people as ignorant, paranoid English haters. But I do not find it surprising that for the second time in recent months, a Welsh police force is investigating complaints of slurs against the Welsh people, whereas when similar things happen towards Scotland or England, everyone just gets on with life.

nfs6600 · 29-09-2005, 12:35

All I can say is "well said, Tony" I'd say 9 out of ten of the welsh I talk to through the week are arrogant and rude. But I bite my tongue and let the taffy get on with his attitude. (The Welsh females however I have found to be great!)

Nugget · 29-09-2005, 12:45

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Originally Posted by nfs6600

All I can say is "well said, Tony" I'd say 9 out of ten of the welsh I talk to through the week are arrogant and rude. But I bite my tongue and let the taffy get on with his attitude. (The Welsh females however I have found to be great!)

But how many of the English or Scottish are just as bad? When I worked in Consumer Services, I'd say that there was a fairly even spread when it came to being obnoxious.

Having said that, if you go into a conversation / business thinking 'you arrogant taff', I'm not surprised they're rude - if that's what you're thinking, it'll normally come out in the way that you talk to them.

nfs6600 · 29-09-2005, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Nugget

But how many of the English or Scottish are just as bad? When I worked in Consumer Services, I'd say that there was a fairly even spread when it came to being obnoxious.

Having said that, if you go into a conversation / business thinking 'you arrogant taff', I'm not surprised they're rude - if that's what you're thinking, it'll normally come out in the way that you talk to them.

I agree all nationalies are jsut as bad. However, when I talk to the scottish i find them nothing but a joy to talk to. and fyi I don't go into the conversation thinking "you arrogant taff". My superiorsin all my jobs involving telesales/customer services have found my phone manner to be impecible. So to say that they're merely talking to me in that way due to my attitude on them is unfounded

Nugget · 29-09-2005, 13:04

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Originally Posted by nfs6600

I agree all nationalies are jsut as bad. However, when I talk to the scottish i find them nothing but a joy to talk to. and fyi I don't go into the conversation thinking "you arrogant taff". My superiorsin all my jobs involving telesales/customer services have found my phone manner to be impecible. So to say that they're merely talking to me in that way due to my attitude on them is unfounded

I didn't say that it was due to your attitude - I said that this sort of thing can come through in the way you deal with people (and even be something that you are unaware of)

Obviously, I don't know what line of work you're in, but I find it hard to believe that, using your example, 90% of the Welsh are 'rude and arrogant'. If, for example, you work cold-calling, then maybe that puts the averages up because no-one likes being cold-called. However, to just state that, what? 2ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â½ million people (using your statistic) are rude is pretty over the top.

Just my opinion, of course

**Maggy** · 29-09-2005, 13:11

I'm and Englishwoman married to a half Welshman.I've been involved with that country for 30 odd years of my life..The idea that the Welsh police are looking to see if they should prosecute in this case doesn't reflect what I know of the Welsh.They just rise above such remarks because they are a gracious people.

I love the Welsh myself-it was the only reason I married my husband because of the way in which his community welcomed me with open arms.They are nothing like the stuffy,money grasping,unfriendly southern English I live among.

nfs6600 · 29-09-2005, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Obviously, I don't know what line of work you're in, but I find it hard to believe that, using your example, 90% of the Welsh are 'rude and arrogant'. If, for example, you work cold-calling, then maybe that puts the averages up because no-one likes being cold-called. However, to just state that, what? 2ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â½ million people (using your statistic) are rude is pretty over the top.

It's actually taking calls from them, not customers either, this is an internal line - so no talking to customers

. my example isn't trying to portray 90% of the welsh as rude and arrogant, just the ones I talk to

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Just my opinion, of course

likewise

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

They are nothing like the stuffy,money grasping,unfriendly southern English I live among.

well come on, they are southerners

. my fathers side of the fmily are actually welsh so I've got a bit of taff in me

**Maggy** · 29-09-2005, 13:13

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Originally Posted by nfs6600

It's actually taking calls from them, not customers either, this is an internal line - so no talking to customers

. my example isn't trying to portray 90% of the welsh as rude and arrogant, just the ones I talk to

likewise

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well come on, they are southerners

Yes well I've lived among the northeners too-They are just plain nosy...

nfs6600 · 29-09-2005, 13:16

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Yes well I've lived among the northeners too-They are just plain nosy...

Well it's better than being ignorant southern pansies

Nugget · 29-09-2005, 13:18

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Originally Posted by nfs6600

It's actually taking calls from them, not customers either, this is an internal line - so no talking to customers

. my example isn't trying to portray 90% of the welsh as rude and arrogant, just the ones I talk to

Ah, well maybe it's just you that they don't like

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Originally Posted by nfs6600

well come on, they are southerners

. my fathers side of the fmily are actually welsh so I've got a bit of taff in me

As the actress said to the bishop