Manchester synagogue attack

[tweetiepooh]

Attacking Jews on Yom-Kippur is not new. Al-Jazeera has some interesting articles including details that have impact on the current Israeli/Palestinian situation.
And in case you are interested, in Judaism the day runs from sunset to sunset.

[Pierre]

Just reported on the news that one of the victims may have shot by the police!!

Originally Posted by Pierre

Just reported on the news that one of the victims may have shot by the police!!

From the BBC

In an update, Greater Manchester Police says that two victims of yesterday's attack have been found to have gunshot wounds.

The statement in full reads:
"The Home Office Pathologist has advised that he has provisionally determined, that one of the deceased victims would appear to have suffered a wound consistent with a gunshot injury," a statement reads.

"It is currently believed that the suspect, Jihad Al Shamie, was not in possession of a firearm and the only shots fired were from GMP's Authorised Firearms Officers as they worked to prevent the offender from entering the synagogue and causing further harm to our Jewish community. It follows therefore, that subject to further forensic examination, this injury may sadly have been sustained as a tragic and unforeseen consequence of the urgently required action taken by my officers to bring this vicious attack to an end.

"We have also been advised by medical professionals that one of the three victims currently receiving treatment in hospital, has also suffered a gunshot wound, which is mercifully not life threatening. It is believed that both victims were close together behind the synagogue door, as worshippers acted bravely to prevent the attacker from gaining entry."

Originally Posted by Pierre

Just reported on the news that one of the victims may have shot by the police!!

Yup. It looks like two people were shot (aside from the killer). One of them died, and one of them has injuries but will survive.

Greater Manchester Police have said the murderer didn't have a gun and the only shots fired were from the police.

[thenry]

Well done

[papa smurf]

police and guns a recipe for disaster

We don't know what happened yet.

You send armed police into a frantic and deadly confrontation, then this is a risk. It might they acted rashly or against protocol, or it might be that something happened where they fired in good faith and a bullet went astray.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Attacking Jews on Yom-Kippur is not new. Al-Jazeera has some interesting articles including details that have impact on the current Israeli/Palestinian situation.
And in case you are interested, in Judaism the day runs from sunset to sunset.

I wonder why the ‘Israeli/Palestinian situation’ should be raised here unless it’s to highlight how Arabs tend to hate Jews (and prolly less so the other way round).

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I wonder why the ‘Israeli/Palestinian situation’ should be raised here unless it’s to highlight how Arabs tend to hate Jews (and prolly less so the other way round).

that's a bit of a generalisation

Originally Posted by Damien

We don't know what happened yet.

You send armed police into a frantic and deadly confrontation, then this is a risk. It might they acted rashly or against protocol, or it might be that something happened where they fired in good faith and a bullet went astray.

It looks as if the attacker was in front of the door, trying to push in, whilst the people on the other side of the door were trying to hold it shut.

From the BBC

Both victims of the gunshot wounds were believed to have been "close together behind the synagogue door"

If some of the shots missed the attacker, they could have gone through the door and hit those inside (speculation on my part).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If some of the shots missed the attacker, they could have gone through the door and hit those inside (speculation on my part).

Depending on high powered the police weapons are they could have gone through the attacker and through the door!

Originally Posted by Pierre

Depending on high powered the police weapons are they could have gone through the attacker and through the door!

I believe Manchester Police Tactical Firearms Unit use the H&K G36C, which has a muzzle velocity of 920m/s, so you’re probably right.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

that's a bit of a generalisation

Er - "tend", Papa. So yes - only a "bit" of a generalisation!

More like a lot of a generalisation…

Tend - to be likely to behave in a particular way
Bit - a small piece or amount of something:

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Depending on high powered the police weapons are they could have gone through the attacker and through the door!

Those killed and injured were holding the door from the inside to stop the terrorist entering so that sounds logical.