£3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
12-03-2021, 18:13
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Just a Geek
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
I wonder if they will just pay up or if it will need chasing. If they mess about send the bailiffs in just like that person had to with ATOS
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14-03-2021, 20:25
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Pierre
You can’t run a fibre from a copper termination, well not without a lot of expensive equipment that doesn’t really exist for this application.
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07X55D7D5 So expensive it basically doesn't exist. Who has ever even heard of this "Amazon" place? Is it being sent from Brazil?!
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18-03-2021, 18:23
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Sad Doig Fan!
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Pukka
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Would you now like to post a cost assesment along with the POS?
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18-03-2021, 18:53
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Pukka
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In a Virgin Media cabinet, there is no Ethernet. The only means of delivery to the home is coaxial cable or fibre depending on area.
Coaxial cable has a 150 - 200m limit without needing amplification (better than Ethernet btw).
Thus the Cat6 cable idea is unworkable.
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18-03-2021, 21:09
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Pukka
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Yes, i was thinking similar but think you'd struggle with the POE injector over that distance. If you've run the ducting adding power probably isnt an issue.
A few people in here dont seem to understand the cabinet you'd supply at the end of your drive or whatever is your own services box, nothing to do with virgin they'd just be terminating their services in it.
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18-03-2021, 21:18
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Foo Fighter
Yes, i was thinking similar but think you'd struggle with the POE injector over that distance. If you've run the ducting adding power probably isnt an issue.
A few people in here dont seem to understand the cabinet you'd supply at the end of your drive or whatever is your own services box, nothing to do with virgin they'd just be terminating their services in it.
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Assuming that the nearest cabinet has the usual passive equipment plus a 60V amplifier for the Coax, to meet the Ethernet proposition, VM would have to bring proper power to that cabinet, maybe from as far away a 500m from a launch cabinet. And that is before they have to put a modem into that cabinet, connected to the coax then with Ethernet output to the customer's premises. That simply cannot happen.
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18-03-2021, 22:08
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Assuming that the nearest cabinet has the usual passive equipment plus a 60V amplifier for the Coax, to meet the Ethernet proposition, VM would have to bring proper power to that cabinet, maybe from as far away a 500m from a launch cabinet. And that is before they have to put a modem into that cabinet, connected to the coax then with Ethernet output to the customer's premises. That simply cannot happen.
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Dont think your following. If they can supply as far as the end of the drive once you've installed a suitable cabinet with power to terminate the coax and superhub the rest is easy.
With the added bonus you can CCTV and driveway lighting along the way.
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18-03-2021, 22:19
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Foo Fighter
Dont think your following. If they can supply as far as the end of the drive once you've installed a suitable cabinet with power to terminate the coax and superhub the rest is easy.
With the added bonus you can CCTV and driveway lighting along the way.
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I don't thnk you are following. At the distance from the VM cab to the users own cab at the end of the drive there would need to be an amplifier before you could push the signal any further.
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18-03-2021, 22:45
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Foo Fighter
Dont think your following. If they can supply as far as the end of the drive once you've installed a suitable cabinet with power to terminate the coax and superhub the rest is easy.
With the added bonus you can CCTV and driveway lighting along the way.
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So, what's being proposed is:
1. Consumer to build a mains powered cabinet at the end of his drive.
2. Distance to the premises active device not to exceed 100, (90m best).
3. VM to dig a channel to the consumer's boundary.
4. VM to provide a coaxial tap cable to the customer's cabinet.
5. Coax not to exceed 150m (whole thing's off if that's not possible).
6. Consumer to fit VM provided modem into cabinet & attach coax cable.
7. Consumer to run output Ethernet into premises.
8. Consumer to attach Ethernet cable to own router and then Da-dah.
If VM agree to that I'll donate money to charity. Support would be a nightmare.
Have I go that wrong?
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18-03-2021, 23:06
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Just a Geek
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
End of the day there are loads of ways it could be done if VM would be prepared to install a modem in a box 150m from the house (OP says 300m to house 150 to end of drive so 150m run to main cab would be possible) . No one in there right mind would do that though so dunno why the argument
Gotta say if the OP has 150m drive then it has gotta be some property and if as rich as a 150m drive may point to maybe consider Starlink as a future option hehehehe
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18-03-2021, 23:36
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
So, what's being proposed is:
1. Consumer to build a mains powered cabinet at the end of his drive.
2. Distance to the premises active device not to exceed 100, (90m best).
3. VM to dig a channel to the consumer's boundary.
4. VM to provide a coaxial tap cable to the customer's cabinet.
5. Coax not to exceed 150m (whole thing's off if that's not possible).
6. Consumer to fit VM provided modem into cabinet & attach coax cable.
7. Consumer to run output Ethernet into premises.
8. Consumer to attach Ethernet cable to own router and then Da-dah.
If VM agree to that I'll donate money to charity. Support would be a nightmare.
Have I go that wrong?
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I think your money's safe Seph. Unfortunately the charity will miss out. 
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19-03-2021, 10:07
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
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Originally Posted by Pukka
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The difference here is that your image shows OPENREACH FTTP (the customer’s cabinet). For that to work with VM, he would need to be in a fibre area (FTTP) otherwise it can’t be done.
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19-03-2021, 10:29
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Re: £3000 spent and Virgin can't connect me
Pukka, I'm curious what your line of business is ... what sort of customers do you normally serve with custom installs like that? I'm not sure I've ever come across a residential BT or VM customer putting that sort of kit into their garden to connect to a network.
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