Schools and NHS could be held accountable over youth crime

[heero_yuy]

Quote from TheDaddy:

The parents should definitely have been included in the saj's review somehow imo, ultimately the buck stops with them

It's about time the Chavs were bought to book for their evil offspring.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It's about time the Chavs were bought to book for their evil offspring.

It's not really the "Chavs" doing the stabbing, shooting, etc.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Having had time to think about this I think there is some sense to it to some degree.
We (those that work in education) spend a lot of the day with children so there is more chance of us to witness something wrong in a child.
An example would be seeing bruises on a child when they are doing PE or a child that is talking about certain subjects which they shouldn't be exposed to at that age.
We can pick up on certain things. It is our duty to report any concerns to the designated safeguarding lead in the school.


However I dont think we have time to be checking all children for knives or checking their bags for drugs every day of the week.
Parents have a responsibility to police their children....otherwise known as giving them a good upbringing. They have to play a part in this. It cant be left to teachers.


The police are doing their bit but maybe they need to put more resources into it.
Im now in Primary but when I worked in Secondary we regularly had assemblies with police officers coming to talk about sexual consent and knife crime, arson, etc. So they are getting out there.

I don't think anyone suggested that, or have I missed something?

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't think anyone suggested that, or have I missed something?

I'm just saying there are things such as those I listed that parents have to do too, not just teachers who have enough to be getting on with.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

I'm just saying there are things such as those I listed that parents have to do too, not just teachers who have enough to be getting on with.

I wouldn't disagree. What I am saying is that teachers cannot be allowed to turn a blind eye. All the various agencies need to work together to identify obvious causes for concerns such as crimes and domestic abuse.

No employee should be allowed to get away with a 'jobsworth' approach.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I wouldn't disagree. What I am saying is that teachers cannot be allowed to turn a blind eye. All the various agencies need to work together to identify obvious causes for concerns such as crimes and domestic abuse.

No employee should be allowed to get away with a 'jobsworth' approach.

Agreed but it shouldn't come down to LEGAL responsibility. Moral perhaps yes but not legal.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Agreed but it shouldn't come down to LEGAL responsibility. Moral perhaps yes but not legal.

So if a subsequent inquiry into the death of a child concludes that a teacher knew full well that a child was in danger and did nothing about it, you think there should be no consequences for that teacher because teachers are only there to teach?

That is not a position most people would find acceptable.

I cannot imagine that any teacher would ignore such a situation..I'm just saying that it's not NECESSARY to make it a legal requirement.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I cannot imagine that any teacher would ignore such a situation..I'm just saying that it's not NECESSARY to make it a legal requirement.

I dare say you couldn't imagine any teacher molesting children either, doesn't mean it doesn't or didn't happen