Poll: Stay or leave the EU.

[papa smurf]

97% out

[Mr K]

62% In. Anyone who is 100% anything is a dangerous person (!)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

62% In. Anyone who is 100% anything is a dangerous person (!)

are you 100% sure about that

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You are right in that the various polls are giving contradictory results, I think that this goes to show that a lot of voters are confused or uncertain at this stage.

I think it shows that just as in the GE, polling companies are still using unreprentative samples. e.g. I'm ex-directory, don't give my phone no out, and opt out of marketing but will vote. How do they cover people like this in their results?

I still think there will be a late swing to the status quo (remain) in the final days from those that are still undecided. When forced to make a choice many will opt for the safe no change option. Happened in the GE and Scots referendums. That would make most polling look silly again.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

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are you 100% sure about that

No, 99% sure

[Stephen]

82% in.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Anyone who is 100% anything is a dangerous person (!)

If you are a person, as I am, who believes that Britain should have complete control over British taxes, laws, borders and immigration, and that only a British Parliament, elected by the British people, should have any say over the above, then 100% for leaving is the only result possible.

Membership of the EU, at any level, would dilute British sovereignty and full control of the above items would be impossible. The EU wants a United states of Europe; compromise on that plan is not an option for them.

So does membership of NATO dilute British control of our Armed Forces, and does British membership of the UKUSA community weaken our Sigintbcapabilities?

[RichardCoulter]

As an undecided voter, i've been doing some research today to help me decide.

The general consensus is that neither the remain or leave campaigners are able to accurately predict what will happen either way.

This blog seems to sum things up (and doesn't attempt to persuade people either way):

http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/20...eu-referendum/

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So does membership of NATO dilute British control of our Armed Forces, and does British membership of the UKUSA community weaken our Sigintbcapabilities?

There is a difference between cooperation between international organisations and those same organisations determining some of our laws and taxes etc.

Cooperation between Sovereign nations is good

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by passingbat

If you are a person, as I am, who believes that Britain should have complete control over British taxes, laws, borders and immigration, and that only a British Parliament, elected by the British people, should have any say over the above, then 100% for leaving is the only result possible.

Membership of the EU, at any level, would dilute British sovereignty and full control of the above items would be impossible. The EU wants a United states of Europe; compromise on that plan is not an option for them.

really the EU and the UK are the same thing then. Scotland Wales and NI while having control of somethings are at the hands of England dictating things....

Somethings are better that way,

93% out guess the jokes on them I'm 100% that we need out but again I've heard the repeated rubbish that leaving the EU is running away from the world and turning our back blah blah blah. I have not spoken to anyone supporting leave that wants us to be insular and doing anything other then developing good trade and diplomatic relations all round the globe certain remain supporters need to try and shovel less brown stuff around. Also I don't think leaving will be all snowflakes and unicorns and there will be a short term economic hit but it will be a hit that we will be able to manage and wipe out as we trade more freely with more nations.

Let's not kid ourselves that staying in the EU is economically safe because before this referendum started quite a few economists were warning of numerous economic problems within the EU though they all seem to be encouraging the uk to now remain clearly people of great conviction. This is the real world swings and roundabouts there are no guarantees economically never have been but what is guaranteed is if we leave we and we alone can set our own rules and trade and diplomatic treaties for the main benefit of the uk and if we remain in the EU those things will be decided for us.

Independence and sovereignty are more important to many of us and more important then short term economics and I think that's what we see and think a lot of people interpret that as those in the leave camp don't think there will be economic hits from leaving but it's just they value other things more.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

What's the point of polls? To try and predict the final result. Even the professional polling companies are showing very different results depending on whether the poll is online or done by telephone. (Online favours Brexit, Phone polls tend to favour remain).
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9687

You know whose paying fortunes to run their own private polls and keeping the results secret, poxy banks so they can bet on the outcome with a rigged deck, it's enough to make me want to lie to pollsters just in case it's for the shysters

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

93% out guess the jokes on them I'm 100% that we need out but again I've heard the repeated rubbish that leaving the EU is running away from the world and turning our back blah blah blah. I have not spoken to anyone supporting leave that wants us to be insular and doing anything other then developing good trade and diplomatic relations all round the globe certain remain supporters need to try and shovel less brown stuff around. Also I don't think leaving will be all snowflakes and unicorns and there will be a short term economic hit but it will be a hit that we will be able to manage and wipe out as we trade more freely with more nations.

Let's not kid ourselves that staying in the EU is economically safe because before this referendum started quite a few economists were warning of numerous economic problems within the EU though they all seem to be encouraging the uk to now remain clearly people of great conviction. This is the real world swings and roundabouts there are no guarantees economically never have been but what is guaranteed is if we leave we and we alone can set our own rules and trade and diplomatic treaties for the main benefit of the uk and if we remain in the EU those things will be decided for us.

Independence and sovereignty are more important to many of us and more important then short term economics and I think that's what we see and think a lot of people interpret that as those in the leave camp don't think there will be economic hits from leaving but it's just they value other things more.

Neither option is guaranteed purely because no one can guarantee it.

My own opinion is that economically, we are safer IN Europe. Other countries won't magically give us favourable terms because we have left Europe. They will give us favourable terms IF we can offer them something. Previously, that something has often been easy access to the other countries in the European Union. Leaving Europe won't mean that all our trading agreements magically disappear. They won't. However, the terms offered when the agreements expire and need to be renegotiated won't necessarily be as good as they are now. They may be better, be may be worse. We don't know.

Regarding the economic problems in the EU, I would argue that due to the way the international financial markets work, we would still be affected by economic problems within the EU regardless of whether we are in or not. We were affected by the recession caused by the problems with sub prime lending in the US after all, and arguably still are. At least if we are in Europe, we may be in a position to influence things, and possibly reduce the impact on our economy.

As for setting our own laws, that again is a case of swings and roundabouts. Remember, the people running our own government aren't necessarily working for the rights of the voters. In fact, our government negotiated away working week limits that the EU was trying to impose on us, because apparently it's perfectly adequate for people making life or death decisions to have to work >50 hours a week. This, I suspect, is why we were apparently the ONLY european country whose government did not attempt to educate the populace about the Maastricht treaty. They also passively encouraged companies like Phorm to spy on internet users, a practice they stopped when the EU stepped in, saying it violated EU surveillance laws. That's two examples, there are others.

[Gavin78]

100% out I've not seen anything from the remain side to get me to vote

DC said in his own words if he didn't get what he wanted/promised us out of the negotiations he would lead the leave campaign out of the EU himself.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

100% out I've not seen anything from the remain side to get me to vote

DC said in his own words if he didn't get what he wanted/promised us out of the negotiations he would lead the leave campaign out of the EU himself.

and instead he's leading the remain campaign so he either got what he went for[nothing] or he's a liar .