UK Flooding

[denphone]

This man talks a lot of sense.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...-keep-10580092

[alferret]

I'm still trying to figure out why this or previous governments are to blame for acts of God.
Don't get me wrong I do sympathise with those that are affected by the current crap weather some areas of the country are suffering but why should a person or entity be blamed for something that can't be forecast.
What if we built a flood wall along/around anywhere that has seen anything in excess of 1ft of water and after 10, 20 or 30 years it was never ever needed, the same people who complain and blame governments for not spending the money would be complaining that they wasted money on building the walls that were never needed.
As I said before what's happening could be the result of our neglect of mother earth. I'm not a greenie or a tree hugger but over the last 400 years we have raped and pillaged this planet to a point where we are all to blame in some way, shape or form for the current climatic changes.
Do we ever think of stopping our use of fossil fuels? No course we don't, we give it creature comforts far too much to give them up but are quick to criticise governments for not doing enough.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think there are TWO points to make here, and we can blame various governments. Who come out with the same old crap going.

The government spend more money on Oversea's aid and are proud to commit even more our OUR money to give.

And some of these countries, this aid is FOR FLOODS. We must send aid out to more than TWENTY countries.

Approx three years ago THE SUN or THE DAILY STAR, produced a survey of how much money we send abroad.

It went into BILLIONs.

IF David Cameron said right. I will stop the aid going to TWO countries, and this money would be spent on Flood Defences in the UK.
Big problem there would be, he would offer the contracts out. And gurranteed the contracts would go to a foreign country

Its true what l was reading today, and on Sky News. Cameron went and spoke with several people in the Flood area's but didn't stay to long and some resident's stated that it was 'planned where he went' to avoid protesters.

Like the woman shouting out from a window 'stop the cuts' The Environment Agency has had it funding cut.

Cameron and Co should listen to the people that live in these area's

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ickets-7088473

How about this for an overzealous Traffic Wardens. The council have voided the tickets. But how stupid they are

[Stephen]

ARthur, yet again you bring up stopping foreign aid and yet again I will tell you budgets for these things are worked out seperately and also giving aid and financial support to other countries is important as it means we get money in return. Not to mention that it helps with trade between countries too.

So stop helping others and there would be severe repercussions.

Sometimes you seem to live in your own wee world.

[Mr K]

We are a rich country, despite what you may hear. Overseas aid is 0.7% of our GDP - diddly squat to us, but makes a significant difference where its needed; we can be proud of it.The MOD is where big money could be saved, stop getting involved in pointless conflicts, which solves nothing, made things worse and us less safe. Massive waste of life and money.

As for flooding - everyone wants to blame someone else but we're all responsible. The climate is changing and we all as individuals have contributed. Flood defences/more money just poor sticking plasters that will ultimately fail. We're not treating the cause.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We are a rich country, despite what you may hear. Overseas aid is 0.7% of our GDP - diddly squat to us, but makes a significant difference where its needed; we can be proud of it.The MOD is where big money could be saved, stop getting involved in pointless conflicts, which solves nothing, made things worse and us less safe. Massive waste of life and money.

As for flooding - everyone wants to blame someone else but we're all responsible. The climate is changing and we all as individuals have contributed. Flood defences/more money just poor sticking plasters that will ultimately fail. We're not treating the cause.

Instead of saving money why not go after those avoiding copious amounts of tax instead, then there might be a few quid err floating about And the government could admit that they've fiddled the figures released and that flood defence spending has been cut. Actually scrap that it's not either or re tax or saving do both, responsibly.

Jenny jones said something that caught my attention earlier to, plant more trees, make more driveways with ply able materials and accept that we can't save all the land and set aside areas that can be flooded without it causing harm. Seems simple and sensible to me, perhaps to simple.

[nashville]

We keep hearing this is a rich country. Why do we have people sleeping on the streets, not enough food to eat, People living on low wages etc. Not enough houses being built, NHS a mess, Someone is filling their pockets,

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe we are all to blame with our cars, flights, leccy guzzling computers and consumer lifestyle. I don't have an answer as I think its too late, really hope for my kids sake I'm wrong. At least we should try and radically change our lifestyles.

Possibly. Or it could be due to El Nino this time

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Stephen

ARthur (snip)

Sometimes you seem to live in your own wee world.

Art has always lived in his own wee world, pop-1

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Originally Posted by Mr K

As for flooding - everyone wants to blame someone else but we're all responsible. The climate is changing and we all as individuals have contributed. Flood defences/more money just poor sticking plasters that will ultimately fail. We're not treating the cause.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Possibly. Or it could be due to El Nino this time

With the current El Nino, strongest in 40 years apparently, warmer seas in the intervening years due to global warming increases the strength of the severe El Nino's which changes weather patterns around the world.

I don't think we have seen the end of the storms for this season but as the effects weaken in the northern hemisphere we'll see some rather cold snow storms in late Feb/March as the jet stream gets pushed south.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Possibly. Or it could be due to El Nino this time

And what's caused the particularly strong El Nino?

[Kursk]

There is an increasing and unnecessary tendency for Arthur's views to be treated with contempt or addressed with some kind of barb when it is clear that Arthur speaks from the heart and as such is a valuable forum contributor.

It is possible to impart knowledge and understanding to others without condescension. When mods join in the berating, the pack mentality is complete.

Ladies and Gentlemen, have some manners. None of us are experts and those prepared to wear their heart on their sleeve deserve no less respect than those who consider themselves higher up the 'cleverness' scale.

Happy New Year .

[denphone]

l always try to be civil to everybody even though l might not disagree with their views and opinions as that's the least we can be to each other in my book.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Kursk

There is an increasing and unnecessary tendency for Arthur's views to be treated with contempt

Nope, it's been that way for several years now

or addressed with some kind of barb when it is clear that Arthur speaks from the heart and as such is a valuable forum contributor.

Well if he changed the record once in a while from " evil Tories" then people wouldn't roll their eyes so much.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well if he changed the record once in a while from " evil Tories" then people wouldn't roll their eyes so much.

A fair comment for Arthur to take note: it works both ways after all.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And what's caused the particularly strong El Nino?

Among other things a record low in solar activity.