Multiple shootings in California

[adzii_nufc]

Claims the female pledged her allegiance to ISIS via a social media account. Still waiting for all of this to reveal something concrete and end this.

Anyway, I watched something earlier that was truly remarkable and I actually still can't believe it happened. The Police are apparently done with the house and apparently released it back to the landlord. Not a word of a lie, he instantly called on all major news outlets to rush the house and caused a media frenzy, they literally bulldozed the front door down to make their way in, easily 10+ and cameramen all rummaging through the house, wardrobes, tipping items all over the place.

I have never seen something so unprofessional or downright stupid. I seriously hope the Police were actually done because a potential crime scene was just trashed. Absolute mad reporters, no respect and downright ignorant. The absolute dire state of the media worldwide mind you, not just there is on full show.

https://i.imgur.com/9DjgldP.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZiuPiWwAUUKi-.jpg

Images taken from news sources showing personal ID's

Absolute farce, most of the news outlets involved have now admitted to paying the Landlord upwards of $1000 for entry. Now they've figured out what they've done was seriously wrong and are all backtracking.

Update: Landlord escorted away by unmarked police officer.

[Hom3r]

I despair with my US Facebook friends how think more guns will solve the problem, I agree with what Russell Howard has been saying, but I cannot say it here

[Osem]

That does sound particularly idiotic but there's always a media feeding frenzy.

As regards the ISIS thing, even if it's true I wouldn't give it too much credibility at this stage. It could just have been a last minute attempt to claim some justification for what was to come. If it turns out these people had been planning something for ages and the event on the day wasn't initially part of the plan, then the ISIS thing would be more credible IMHO.

Having said that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35006404

A mass shooting by a married couple that left 14 people dead in California is being investigated as an act of terrorism, the FBI says.

For some reason, the female is supposed to have posted her support for ISIS on a different account (not the one in her real name).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35006404

It follows reports that Malik had pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

Malik is reported to have posted a message on Facebook in support of IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi under a different name. The post has since been removed.

I wonder how she removed it, what with being dead and all...

[adzii_nufc]

Looking awfully similar to the Boston Marathon bombing now, no direct relation to ISIS at all but carrying out an attack in their name. Similar to the way the Boston bombers had no direct relation to Islamic extremists but did it using that as their mantle.

If that's wrong and they were in fact 'recruited' then it's sending a very dangerous message around the US. Assault rifles ready made for action, handguns galore, enough equipment to make home made bombs. America have created a terrorists paradise.

Regardless of the two scenarios, I still can't see what possesses a pair of individuals that were supposed normal every day working people to just commit an atrocity like this. They've ruined 14 families, scarred 17 others, they've brought fear to their own family and friends who will now carry this around with them.

Is there anything better than despicable, disgusting and cowardly? Takes a right pair of hard nuts to gun down people that can't fight back.

---------- Post added at 20:19 ---------- Previous post was at 20:10 ----------

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I despair with my US Facebook friends how think more guns will solve the problem, I agree with what Russell Howard has been saying, but I cannot say it here

It's incredible isn't it? I have people that say the exact same thing. I've seen respected media men also make ludicrous claims that arming every citizen in the US would wipe out crime rates

Absolute madmen, what an absolute mess of a country.

How we should stop drunk driving - make everyone drink more and drive...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

My thoughts are that the couple were planning to carry out a jihadi type attack but got 'wound up' by their colleagues at the meal and decided to go postal on them instead.

The argument was only 2 weeks beforehand. So in that 2 weeks they "built up a head of steam", made plans, got guns and lots of ammo, and made bombs? He had stopped going to the Mosque 3 weeks before, so a week or so before the argument he was showing signs.

While increased gun ownership wouldn't solve anything, restricting or banning won't work, as it will just concentrate gun ownership in the wrong hands. You can't uninvent them.

No, but you can regulate them, as stated in the 2nd amendment.

[Osem]

But if they did that what would all the empty trauma centres do?

[adzii_nufc]

There has to be options somewhere, it's already been said that it's far too late to disarm the nation, the amount of firearms available would make outlawing them pointless, there'd still be hundreds of thousands in circulation easily.

Just to shed some light on what is readily available to the average joe in the US and let us all take a step back to consider this for a moment.

2x .223 Remington AR-15 variants. A military styled assault rifle which is legal, Typically a 30rd STANAG magazine. They can be used with a drum magazine that holds up to 100 rounds. An AR-15 is basically a continued spinoff of the widely used m16 assault rifle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_County_massacre

Naturally there's more with different or the same Assault rifles. This is why I haven't bother mentioning handguns. You want to be starting with the most lethal of their arsenal. No civilian should be allowed to legally own an assault rifle. Bullets kill regardless of their size and what they come out of. But allowing people to arm themselves with .223 rounds is absolutely mad. Weapons of absolute accuracy and maximum damage.

[Osem]

The numbers involved are quite staggering for a non war zone:

US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December
353 Mass shootings
62 shootings at schools
12,223 people killed in gun incidents
24,722 people injured in gun incidents

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Osem

The numbers involved are quite staggering for a non war zone:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604

Now imagine if for some reason a civil war broke out. The loss of life would be far greater than that of an already war torn country quite easily. They've already lost far more people to guns in the US than they have on their crusade in Iraq.

You see that first tan colored rifle. That again is a military grade state of the art Assault Rifle that comes in so many different variations for all purposes. It's a Remington ACR (Military) or a Bushmaster ACR (Civilian)
It's even been adapted into a sub machine gun a 'Personal defence weapon' (Bushmaster PDW) Not even joking. The ACR PDW has next to no recoil and in cases can be incredibly silent even without a suppressor, making it one of the more dangerous guns to ever appeal to a normal person.

A very good stat from your article there:



They're worried about terrorism?

[Jimmy-J]

VIDEO Inside San Bernardino California Shooters Apartment Home

[ianch99]

You can hope this is a turning point:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35013443

In response to the shooting, the New York Times newspaper ran an editorial calling for stricter gun controls on the front page of Saturday's print paper.
It is the first time since 1920 that the paper has run an editorial on page one.
"It is a moral outrage and national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency," the opinion piece said.
"America's elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing," it added.

Here's hoping.

The American psyche won't allow banning of guns, but even if there was some more regulation (no semi-automatics, no extra-large magazines, tracking of personal sales, basic training and insurance required), that would surely help.