Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)

[Gary L]

He even missed out the order of events. and that nobody knew she wouldn't be losing out until later.

But why let facts get in the way of a tory supporter!

[denphone]

This Conservative MP certainly aint happy with it as it stands...

https://www.politicshome.com/economy...al-tory-values

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...x-credit-cuts/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Did you miss the bit where other people *would* be losing out? Did you actually bother reading any of the links posted?

Yes, I have read the other comments. Examples would be nice.

The trouble is, too many people are looking at the tax credit reductions without considering the positives (eg the increasing start point for paying income tax, the increase in the new minimum living wage and so forth).

I certainly do think that if any full time working people on a very low income find themselves appreciably worse off than before, some sort of protection mechanism should be applied.

[denphone]

Lawson urges Osborne to soften impact on lowest paid.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...aid?CMP=twt_gu

[Chrysalis]

To be fair I never recall cameron promising to not cut child tax credit, the promise was for child benefit.

Even myself who some consider quite left wing, the amount of financial aid given to parents was clearly excessive when the tories came into power.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

To be fair I never recall cameron promising to not cut child tax credit, the promise was for child benefit.

Even myself who some consider quite left wing, the amount of financial aid given to parents was clearly excessive when the tories came into power.

Here you go, I think this is the 'promise' he made.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-made-6450614

Originally Posted by peanut

Here you go, I think this is the 'promise' he made.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-made-6450614

Seems to be talking about child tax credits.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

I won't be affected in any way but it's still a pretty horrid plan, so you can count me as a 'BBC plant' if you like. As pointed out earlier, a lot more people would feel so much more comfortable with:

As said earlier in the thread.

As also pointed out, I absolutely loath how they manage to make cuts to every single corner of the country besides their own pocket. I hardly ever bother with politics because they're all full of brown stuff. Labour - give everyone what they want, bankrupt and eventually turn the country upside down whilst lying through elections. Tories - Take it all away, lie through elections, tears like a wet paper towel when under pressure from foreign nations.

It's hopeless, a giant game of ping pong and we're the ball.

People wonder why Afghanistan keep asking why we wish to install a government when they simply don't want one.. I think I realise now why they don't want it.

Be real here, how are employers going to fund the makeup for the tax credits? assuming they do manage, no doubt the cost of living will just rise with your pay rise

It's easy enough to say businesses have had it easy, the well off well respected business will have already been paying their employees over minimum wage. I know quite a lot of businesses that are relatively small that pay minimum wage and are still on the brink, this will knock them over the edge.

Seen the plastic bag debate? let's be real again and honest, the people complaining don't give a toss about 5 pence, they just love the chance to have a good old tory bashing rant. These are the same people that get to vote... What's the point anymore.

the answer to your question is it should come from shareholders, interesting research someone reported on shows the amount of profits taken by shareholders in the past 4 decades has steadily risen which has reduced wages and investment.

Obviously small companies which may just have a single owner are somwhat different but subsidising wages has gave companies a habit of thinking "its ok to pay low wages", that habit needs to stop.

What I fear is that osborne will back down on what is one of the few good things the tories have done and the cuts will be diverted to he most vulnerable, those without a voice, the disabled and sick.

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Originally Posted by peanut

Here you go, I think this is the 'promise' he made.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-made-6450614

thanks, so he lied. Although the videos arent clear, was a vague question,, mixing up child benefits with it.

[denphone]

67pc of working tax credit recipients will be made worse off by Osborne’s Tax Credit reforms according to this publication.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...ornes-reforms/

Pretty damning analysis from The Spectator.

Can't help but feeling the Tories have overreached here and this isn't going to go well for them.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

Pretty damning analysis from The Spectator.

Can't help but feeling the Tories have overreached here and this isn't going to go well for them.

Let's see some CF evenhandedness here. If this was a Labour government trying to push through a patently unfair policy there would be countless posts attacking "Liebour" etc.

[Gary L]

It's a funny part of history though.

Vote for me and I'll punish the unemployed, the sick and disabled.
vote for me Thou Great Hard Working People and you shall prosper.
vote for me Great People and I shalt protect you.

then he shouts "Fooled Ya!" LOL

I think this could be a "poll tax" moment.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think this could be a "poll tax" moment.

More like the GB 10% tax rate removal moment.

Let's hope they recognise it and not let history repeat itself.

Whilst I'm in favour of getting rid of this benefit and transferring the resonsibility for giving decent wages to the employers it has been very badly handled. With any change, just like a typical budget, there will be some winners and some losers. It's the amounts and the suddenness that will cause many people difficulties.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think this could be a "poll tax" moment.

Absolutely.