UK Muslims helping jihadis

Originally Posted by techguyone

Are you for real? have you forgotten towards the end of the last Labour tenure, you only had to smell vaguely anti-pc and you were ostracised from society, give me strength...

Yes, I am, but I'm not sure you are.

Still looking forward to your extensive list of those who were rounded up by the thought police......

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

That's the way the left operates. If they don't like what you say they label you and put you down.
If, over time, what you have been saying proves to be correct they then deny that they ever labeled you. It's standard operating procedure. Sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes it's due to selective memory

yes, because I am well known for being on the left.....

[techguyone]

Maybe you should see what Ramrod put, you're the only one here who seems to be a twunt

[nomadking]

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A couple of weeks back I wrote an article headed: ‘Call me insane, but I’m voting Labour.’ Among the many hundreds of people who reacted with the rather predictable ‘Yes, you’re insane’ was my wife, Mrs Liddle. She pointed out that Ed Miliband had vowed that upon being elected, Labour would make Islamophobia a crime. ‘So,’ she concluded, with a certain acidity, ‘not only will we be substantially worse off under a Labour government, but at nine o’clock on the morning of 8 May the police will arrive to take you away. You are voting for a party which will both impoverish and arrest you. You are a moron.’

Originally Posted by techguyone

Maybe you should see what Ramrod put, you're the only one here who seems to be a twunt

So, when I point out that you are utilising hyperbole (people being rounded up), and you fail consistently to back up your assertion, I am a "twunt"?

All I can say is



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Originally Posted by nomadking

Link

Liddle - speaking of hyperbole....

So your evidence is something written by someone, who is avowedly anti-Labour and anti-Muslim, about something his wife told him, that isn't documented anywhere....

Sound.....

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So, when I point out that you are utilising hyperbole (people being rounded up), and you fail consistently to back up your assertion, I am a "twunt"?

All I can say is



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Liddle - speaking of hyperbole....

So your evidence is something written by someone, who is avowedly anti-Labour and anti-Muslim, about something his wife told him, that isn't documented anywhere....

Sound.....

I did check his political background before posting.

At 16, he was a member of the Socialist Workers Party remaining a member for about a year, and a supporter of CND around the same time. He attended the London School of Economics (LSE) as a mature student, where he read Social Psychology.
His early career in journalism was with the South Wales Echo in Cardiff where he was a general news reporter and, for a time, the rock and pop writer. He worked between 1983 and 1987 as a speechwriter and researcher for the Labour Party.

He voted Labour.

A couple of weeks back I wrote an article headed: ‘Call me insane, but I’m voting Labour.’ Among the many hundreds of people who reacted with the rather predictable ‘Yes, you’re insane’ was my wife, Mrs Liddle

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The Labour leader's pledge to redefine Islamophobia as an aggravated crime will be cheered by child sex-grooming gangs in Rotherham and election-stealers in Tower Hamlets
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“We are going to make sure it is marked on people’s records, with the police to make sure they root out Islamophobia as a hate crime,” said Miliband. “We are going to change the law so we make it absolutely clear of [sic] our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country.”

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Now in an interview with the Muslim News Ed Miliband states he would make Islamophobia a crime if he gets into power.
Of course any bias, or threat, or criminal activity targeted at anyone from an ethnic minority cannot be tolerated but we don’t need any additional legislation as there are, quite rightly, laws already in place to deal with such cases. What we do need is the ability to highlight the problems faced by a small section of British Pakistanis and demand they challenge it.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't true.

For a "non-existent" comment, there are an awful lot of people around the world who commented on it at the time.

I was in the Air Force many years ago - doesn't mean I am still in it; look at Liddle's writings in the last ten years (Spectator, Sun. Times, etc), and I think you will find very little of a left-wing bias there....

I don't remember seeing it in the Manifesto, except the bit about "hate crimes"...

Update - looking at your links, and reading the original article, Ed was promising to make Islamophobia a specific offence, probably one of the many reasons why he lost so badly - please accept my apologies for not believing you on that matter.

However, it still doesn't justify a previous poster claiming that people had been rounded up under the previous Labour administration..

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I was in the Air Force many years ago - doesn't mean I am still in it; look at Liddle's writings in the last ten years (Spectator, Sun. Times, etc), and I think you will find very little of a left-wing bias there....

And just because you want to believe it, doesn't make it true either....

I don't remember seeing it in the Manifesto, except the bit about "hate crimes"...

As I said there are MANY other articles from around the world reporting on it. I gave 2 specific examples. I cannot find any hint of a claim that it isn't true. Links to the original didn't work at first, but now it does.
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A future Labour Government is committed to outlaw the scourge of Islamophobia by changing the law and making it an aggravated crime, according to the Party’s Leader Ed Miliband.
“We are going to make it an aggravated crime. We are going to make sure it is marked on people’s records with the police to make sure they root out Islamophobia as a hate crime,” Miliband told the Editor of The Muslim News, Ahmed J Versi in a wide ranging exclusive interview.
“We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country,” he said.
Labour Party Manifesto pledged to take a “zero-tolerance approach to hate crime” regarding the growth of Islamophobia as well as anti-Semitism. “We will challenge prejudice before it grows, whether in schools, universities or on social media. And we will strengthen the law on disability, homophobic, and transphobic hate crime,” it said.

From ACTUAL Labour 2015 manifesto. (page 54)

We will take a zero-tolerance approach to hate crime, such as anti-Semitism
and Islamophobia. We will challenge prejudice before it grows, whether in
schools, universities or on social media. And we will strengthen the law on
disability, homophobic, and transphobic hate crime.

Agreed - we were cross posting.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Hugh

look at Liddle's writings in the last ten years (Spectator, Sun. Times, etc), and I think you will find very little of a left-wing bias there....

I agree. He appears to have mentally matured rather late though......and writes some quite sensible stuff: http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnist...n-in-dewsbury/

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

That's the way the left operates. If they don't like what you say they label you and put you down.
If, over time, what you have been saying proves to be correct they then deny that they ever labeled you. It's standard operating procedure. Sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes it's due to selective memory

I'd agree with that. They claim to be interested in tolerance but are totally intolerant of anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them. They routinely label opponents in the most vitriolic manner and try to shut down debate through intimidation, like militant unionists attacking 'scabs'. Brown's 'bigot' comment betrayed a common theme running throughout his party - scratch the surface and it's still there.

[Ramrod]

Always has been and, I think, always will....

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Osem

I They claim to be interested in tolerance but are totally intolerant of anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them.

You should listen to Pat Condell on youtube.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Taf

You should listen to Pat Condell on youtube.

He is funny. I'm surprised that he's not been killed yet.

[Osem]

Have you just issued a fatwa??!!!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Or the skin, hair, children etc

I was rather hoping you'd exercise some restraint and keep the yield in the low kiloton range.