[Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership

Originally Posted by Damien

Thing with Jarvis is just that he seems to look and carry himself completely different from the identikit politicians after Blair. As I mentioned before the fact he has had a distinguished career in the armed forces, on the front lines as well, does him no harm at all.

Kendall is another one who is undoubtedly a centrist (a.k.a Blairite) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Kendall

Apparently what marks Jarvis down in the eyes of some of his colleagues is that he still reads his speeches verbatim in the Commons. He'd never get away with that as leader of the opposition.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Apparently what marks Jarvis down in the eyes of some of his colleagues is that he still reads his speeches verbatim in the Commons. He'd never get away with that as leader of the opposition.

Blimey. Are any of these the same folk who thought Foot, Kinnock, Bliar, Brown and Miliband were a good idea?

[denphone]

Well Blair until the later part of his premiership like Thatcher must have been liked by many as they both won 3 elections on the trot so they must have had something which the electorate liked.

Originally Posted by Chris

Apparently what marks Jarvis down in the eyes of some of his colleagues is that he still reads his speeches verbatim in the Commons. He'd never get away with that as leader of the opposition.

I guess he could get training and practise that.

Originally Posted by Osem

Blimey. Are any of these the same folk who thought Foot, Kinnock, Bliar, Brown and Miliband were a good idea?

Blair was a good idea. Won them three terms.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well Blair until the later part of his premiership like Thatcher must have been liked by many as they both won 3 elections on the trot so they must have had something which the electorate liked.

Being 'liked' and being good for Labour are two very different things as Miliband has just found out.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I guess he could get training and practise that.



Blair was a good idea. Won them three terms.

And lost them the last 2.

Bliar's legacy will take a great deal of overcoming and we're still living with plenty of reminders of it which show no sign of going away.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Being 'liked' and being good for Labour are two very different things as Miliband has just found out.

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And lost them the last 2.

And you could say the same about Thatcher as well.

Originally Posted by Osem

And lost them the last 2.

I don't think he lost them the last two. If he were that much of a hinderance he wouldn't have won the third term. Miliband rejected New Labour and moved to the left and subsequently lost by a bigger margin than Brown did. That certainly wasn't on Blair.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

And you could say the same about Thatcher as well.

Not really, Major won the election after Thatcher was removed.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think he lost them the last two. If he were that much of a hinderance he wouldn't have won the third term. Miliband rejected New Labour and moved to the left and subsequently lost by a bigger margin than Brown did. That certainly wasn't on Blair.

He got a third term because nobody would have voted for Brown and the rot wasn't plain to see at that point. Labour were still buying votes and spending cash they didn't have.

There's no doubt his move to the left and the unions cost Miliband but it was the economy and immigration which I believe did Labour the most harm and Bliar/Brown were responsible for that. Miliband just compounded the 'trust' problem he inherited from them.

[heero_yuy]

Whatever happened to that stone? Maybe Ed's shackled to it at the bottom of the Thames now.

Perhaps he had it converted into a kitchen work-top?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Not really, Major won the election after Thatcher was removed.

But in the last few years of her premiership she was engulfed by one crisis after another as we all know and thus John Major for the rest of his office could never get on top of these problems that had engulfed the Conservative party in the last few years of her premiership.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

But in the last few years of her premiership she was engulfed by one crisis after another as we all know and thus John Major for the rest of his office could never get on top of these problems that had engulfed the Conservative party in the last few years of her premiership.

Yes we may know that but the fact remains that in spite of her unpopularity amongst some/many, Major still won another election for the Tories so her legacy clearly didn't affect the party's popularity to the point where they lost and in 1997 UK PLC was doing really quite well. Can't say that about Bliar/Brown's legacy which Miliband inherited.

[Ramrod]

Russel Brand?

[Osem]

Pity (for Miliband especially) that Brand didn't come to the conclusion that he knows nothing about politics before he got himself involved in it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Russel Brand?

That man is a complete idiot.