Second Runway At Gatwick Airport

[beeman]

Originally Posted by thenry

Could Gatwick take some of the load allowing Heathrow to rethink its heavily loaded airport or would Gatwick take on totally different flights?

Totally different flights. Gatwick (for the most part) handles point to point holiday flights. Heathrow however deals with interlineing "hub and spoke" type flights (when people fly in from 1 part of the world just to fly out again to another destination with the airline).

The ability to interline is VERY important to an airline and that requires most of the airlines hardwere to fly from one place (as well as their partner airlines).

For example to make gatwick as valuable to BA as heathrow is you would need to move the entire BA opperation to gatwick along with the opperations of ALL one world partners. which even with a second runway would simply transfer the capacity issue from heathrow to gatwick.

Landing slots (something that many airports give away) are sooo valuable at heathrow that BA brought an entire alirline (BMI) JUST to get hold of its landing rights.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by beeman

Totally different flights. Gatwick (for the most part) handles point to point holiday flights. Heathrow however deals with interlineing "hub and spoke" type flights (when people fly in from 1 part of the world just to fly out again to another destination with the airline).

The ability to interline is VERY important to an airline and that requires most of the airlines hardwere to fly from one place (as well as their partner airlines).

For example to make gatwick as valuable to BA as heathrow is you would need to move the entire BA opperation to gatwick along with the opperations of ALL one world partners. which even with a second runway would simply transfer the capacity issue from heathrow to gatwick.

Landing slots (something that many airports give away) are sooo valuable at heathrow that BA brought an entire alirline (BMI) JUST to get hold of its landing rights.

Surprised BA never bought out Gatwick and did move all operations and world partners there for their own exclusive use and leave Heathrow to everyone else.

[Osem]

Not sure the competition watchdog would allow that.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by beeman

Totally different flights. Gatwick (for the most part) handles point to point holiday flights. Heathrow however deals with interlineing "hub and spoke" type flights (when people fly in from 1 part of the world just to fly out again to another destination with the airline).

The ability to interline is VERY important to an airline and that requires most of the airlines hardwere to fly from one place (as well as their partner airlines).

For example to make gatwick as valuable to BA as heathrow is you would need to move the entire BA opperation to gatwick along with the opperations of ALL one world partners. which even with a second runway would simply transfer the capacity issue from heathrow to gatwick.

Landing slots (something that many airports give away) are sooo valuable at heathrow that BA brought an entire alirline (BMI) JUST to get hold of its landing rights.

Thank you for the explanation. Would Gatwick expansion positively effect Heathrow at all?

[beeman]

Originally Posted by thenry

Thank you for the explanation. Would Gatwick expansion positively effect Heathrow at all?

Its debatable, there still a few point to point airlines left at Heathrow who might move over to Gatwick (though why they havent already as theres is still copacity?) but not enought to make any real difference at Heathrow. IMO Gatwick expansion will make no real difference to issues at Heathrow,

The best solution is as i said earlier. Give BOTH airports there new runway which will get rid of the dreadded heathrow hold stack (where planes circle over London for 30-60 minuites waiting for landing clearence) which would reduce aircraft, noise AND pollution over london (even with increased flight numbers). and as a gesture of goodwill to the anti's give Heathrow a hard cap of 90% capacity (so they can not sell more then 90% of there slots) making emergency recovery easier.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Not sure the competition watchdog would allow that.

I know but if all governments did it for one national/flag carrier it would probably not only solve a lot of issues but even reduce the costs of flights.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

I know but if all governments did it for one national/flag carrier it would probably not only solve a lot of issues but even reduce the costs of flights.

Yep it could well do but I dare say that it would result in all sorts of legal challenges from other airlines.

[thenry]

The government has delayed a decision on whether to bring a second runway at Gatwick into regular use.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the government was "minded to approve" plans but the deadline for a decision had now been pushed back until the end of October.

It is understood that the main stumbling blocks facing Gatwick's plans are related to the environment, specifically over noise prevention and public transport provision, after concerns were raised by the Planning Inspectorate.

https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-s...nment-13317354

Those closest to the airport was expected to get some reductions in council tax

[papa smurf]

Obviously we will need the permission of prime minister Trump ,so as we are not seen as harming American interests by building this

[thenry]

I'm not sure Trump would get involved because the extravagance of a new lavish terminal seem to have been kicked back and instead...

The northern runway already exists at the airport parallel to the main one, but cannot be used at the same time as it is too close.

It is currently limited to being a taxiway and only used for take-offs and landings if the main one has to shut.

Gatwick wants to move it 12 metres further away to solve this problem.

https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-s...nment-13317354

It's hardly eye catching but productive. However...

It says being able to run both at the same time would allow around 100,000 more flights per year and create 14,000 jobs.

Gatwick says the £2.2bn project would not need government money, would be 100% privately funded, and could be complete by the end of the decade.

https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-s...nment-13317354

2.2 billion clearly something hasn't been disclosed in the report from SkyNews, what else are Gatwick planning

The airport is already the second busiest in the UK, and the busiest single runway airport in Europe.

https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-s...nment-13317354

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by thenry

Those closest to the airport was expected to get some reductions in council tax

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

If a second runway goes ahead then that would be classed as a public works under Part 1 of The Land Compensation Act 1973. Part 1 says that if there are any changes in any of the 5 physical factors (noise, vibration, artificial lighting, dust/fumes, run-off) that result in the devaluation of a property by £50 or more, then anyone who has an interest in that property can make a claim for compensation from the responsible authority.

In the event of a succesful claim (reasonable) fees are payable in addition to any compensation, but in most cases claim will not be considered until 12 months after the official opening date of the public works. The responsible authority has no statutory obligation to inform you that you may be eligible to make a claim (unlike Part 2 or the act), but there will be plenty of companies who will leaflet drop offering no win no fee services.

Same rules still apply, I'd also add you don't need to use a claim management company as they'll also take a chunk of compensation and the forms are pretty easy to complete yourself. Just make sure you don't settle too cheaply!!

[thenry]

Originally Posted by thenry

2.2 billion clearly something hasn't been disclosed in the report from SkyNews, what else are Gatwick planning

It's more than just a runway build

https://www.gatwickairport.com/compa...rn-runway.html

I like this proposal of planes crossing over runways. Gatwick will need the best of operators to run it

[Julian]

Originally Posted by thenry

It's more than just a runway build

https://www.gatwickairport.com/compa...rn-runway.html

I like this proposal of planes crossing over runways. Gatwick will need the best of operators to run it

<Cough> Manchester<Cough>