SD : SD and STB's to go by 2020 claims David Elstein.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Presumably, the viewer's recordings will also be kept in the cloud, resolving the problem of limited recording space on Horizon devices.

But there would be rights issues to overcome before this could be done. I remember reading something that said that a cable company had already done this a year or two back, but were forced to stop due to complaints from rights holders.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

UPC said the next generation Horizion version will roll out in the next 30 to 45 days. It will put the user interface in the Cloud and there are plans to locate the linear channels there too.
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2014/...-to-the-cloud/

I thought the rather interesting line from that article was that this new service will not currently roll out in places where Horizon is already available. Which leaves pretty much only one place left of substance....

So, in 30-45 days we may see Horizon launch here.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Horizon

I thought the rather interesting line from that article was that this new service will not currently roll out in places where Horizon is already available. Which leaves pretty much only one place left of substance....

So, in 30-45 days we may see Horizon launch here.

lol, I think it will probably launch in central Eastern Europe country maybe a small one like the Czech Republic.

[Horizon]

...yeah, you're probably right assuming there are any central Eastern European countries still around by then....

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

lol, I think it will probably launch in central Eastern Europe country maybe a small one like the Czech Republic.

Indeed. CloudTV runs on low end boxes (it's basically the same system ntl trialled on Pace boxes in 2005), so they'd be crazy to run it anywhere where they have already invested in advanced hardware.

Originally Posted by Horizon

assuming there are any central Eastern European countries still around by then....

[Horizon]

....Russians...invading other countries....etc

[vincerooney]

2020 before SD gets turned off?? Isnt that a bit quick??? A lot of old people have only just managed to get to grips with digital tv never mind HD! My nan has a non HD tv too. So does that mean she'd need to shell out 300 odd quid just to watch tv after 2020? (Be honest i imagine she wont be alive then anyway but thats not the point...)

Plus wont the introduction of HD only channels mean that some channels will go under due to the expense of HD cameras etc??

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

But there would be rights issues to overcome before this could be done. I remember reading something that said that a cable company had already done this a year or two back, but were forced to stop due to complaints from rights holders.

I think that would be surprising. Why would there be any difference to the rights holders whether you held your recordings on the hard drive or in the cloud as long as access was not changed?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

2020 before SD gets turned off?? Isnt that a bit quick??? A lot of old people have only just managed to get to grips with digital tv never mind HD! My nan has a non HD tv too. So does that mean she'd need to shell out 300 odd quid just to watch tv after 2020?

I'd put money on it not happening, but worst case your Nan would only need to get a HD-capable decoder. Similar to how people with analogue-only TVs are able to watch digital TV.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think that would be surprising. Why would there be any difference to the rights holders whether you held your recordings on the hard drive or in the cloud as long as access was not changed?

I thought the same, but I read that there were rights issues when one cable company tried to do it in the past.

http://www.v-net.tv/dont-let-content...oud-dvr-parade

This link refers to the past problems associated with this system in the past, but also mentions efforts to appease content right holders so that the system can be utilised.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think that would be surprising. Why would there be any difference to the rights holders whether you held your recordings on the hard drive or in the cloud as long as access was not changed?

It would to normal people, but this is greedy neurotic rights holders we're talking about here, some of whom won't (or want more money for it) allow VM to stream recorded content form Tivo to Tivo in the same house!

[Horizon]

I have no idea whether the copyright issues of having a cloud based system have been resolved or not. But am I the only one who doesn't entirely like the idea of "personal" video recordings being kept on a shared storage system by some company?

What happens when the internet link goes down? How can you access your favourite recordings if the recordings are on some remote server? I am not entirely sure that this "progress" is progress at all.

But, despite my tongue and cheek remarks earlier, it does look like to me that Liberty are preparing to roll out this system here.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think that would be surprising. Why would there be any difference to the rights holders whether you held your recordings on the hard drive or in the cloud as long as access was not changed?

Because the company is supplying you with the recordings, giving you a service, rather than you supplying yourself, that's where the copyright comes into it, I gather.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Horizon

I have no idea whether the copyright issues of having a cloud based system have been resolved or not. But am I the only one who doesn't entirely like the idea of "personal" video recordings being kept on a shared storage system by some company?

What happens when the internet link goes down? How can you access your favourite recordings if the recordings are on some remote server? I am not entirely sure that this "progress" is progress at all.

But, despite my tongue and cheek remarks earlier, it does look like to me that Liberty are preparing to roll out this system here

What happens if your hard drive gives up the ghost?

If your recordings are in the cloud, you can retrieve them when you get a new box.

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Originally Posted by Horizon

Because the company is supplying you with the recordings, giving you a service, rather than you supplying yourself, that's where the copyright comes into it, I gather.

That doesn't make any sense to me. In both scenarios, I choose a programme, record it and then retrieve it. Is this not all semantics?

[Horizon]

If you can record your own shows onto a server, I don't see what the problem is either and it does seem like semantics. But I think, but cannot recall for certain, that all the arguments were over the fact the the ISP/Cableco does the recording, hence providing a service, and that's where the copyright issue comes from.

As far as I know, Liberty are not (yet) proposing a cloud based pvr system. But if the epg is in the cloud, the "channels" are in the cloud, then one would assume that recordings would be in the cloud too.

Your point about the hard drive dying is a good one and with faster than ever net speeds now, it does make a cloud based system more attractive. I'm just not sure the cloud based system for recordings that we want, is the one that will actually get provided.

[Skie]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

I'd put money on it not happening, but worst case your Nan would only need to get a HD-capable decoder. Similar to how people with analogue-only TVs are able to watch digital TV.

Slightly more difficult when they will likely have a SD tv.

Of course, when 2020 arrives it will be cheap enough to have a STB that includes a scaler to downscale HD content to allow it to work with any set.