Malaysian Airline plane disappears

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

The latest conspiracy is that family members are getting ringing mobile phones when they've tried to call passengers on the plane.

Is this normal for phones to do this?
I know that when I call people and their phone is off it either says the mobile you are calling is off or goes straight to voice mail.

Now this seems odd as normally all phones would be off as required by most airlines during flight.

That's just bollocks.

The plane hasn't landed anywhere, been abducted by a UFO or crashed near an island that moves around a bit.

It's evident that the plane didn't explode or break up in flight.

It must have hit the water at a steep angle. There was very little visible wreckage from the Air France crash, and that fell from a similar altitude.

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's evident that the plane didn't explode or break up in flight.

It must have hit the water at a steep angle. There was very little visible wreckage from the Air France crash, and that fell from a similar altitude.

How do we know it didn't break up mid-flight? Wouldn't that cause debris to be spread out and thus harder to find?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

How do we know it didn't break up mid-flight? Wouldn't that cause debris to be spread out and thus harder to find?

No, it would make debris break up and EASIER to find.

Just for example, all those fantastic plastic hard samsonite type luggage that would no doubt be in the hold, along with loads of other stuff that would float. It would be easily found.

No, when there is none, or very little debris, it means the aircraft hit the water intact, and at a very steep angle or vertically.

[thenry]

How come the black box signal hasn't been picked up yet ? is there a small radius ?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by thenry

How come the black box signal hasn't been picked up yet ? is there a small radius ?

The black box is under water, you need a to traverse over it in a boat to pick it up.

You need to ascertain the general area in which you think the plane hit. Then search for the black box.

The range isn't very far.

[thenry]

so the signal cannot be picked up by plane?

this has a stupid headline but a fairly good read

http://www.news.com.au/technology/wh...-1226850614703

why isn't there more live data transmitted ?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by thenry

so the signal cannot be picked up by plane?

Correct.

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The crux of that article is why isn't the flight, and all of its systems, monitored real time all the time.

Shockingly, there still isn’t any systems set up that can handle the bandwidth to transmit in real time the data from every second of the flight and the audio from the cockpit.

Over the ocean it would have to be via satellite. Which is expensive.

[denphone]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Stolen passport 'no terror link'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia...1#TWEET1068199

[thenry]

asylum seekers

Malaysia Airlines live: military says last tracked plane hundreds of miles off course

Malaysia's military believes it tracked a missing jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control


A police handout which shows 19-year-old Iranian Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad (L) and an unidentified man who both boarded missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight using stolen European passports

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rash-live.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9182396.html

MH370 Flight Incident

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html

[richard s]

The water depth in this vast area is approx 250 feet deep. No wreckage has been found as of yet. I wonder how this plane can just drop of the radar.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No, it would make debris break up and EASIER to find.

Just for example, all those fantastic plastic hard samsonite type luggage that would no doubt be in the hold, along with loads of other stuff that would float. It would be easily found.

No, when there is none, or very little debris, it means the aircraft hit the water intact, and at a very steep angle or vertically.

Or the seat cushions that are specifically designed to float

[weenie]

Originally Posted by richard s

The water depth in this vast area is approx 250 feet deep. No wreckage has been found as of yet. I wonder how this plane can just drop of the radar.

I hope they find something soon as these poor families must be going through hell at the moment ...

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The engines failed on the BA flight due to ice in the fuel.

You're right if the engines had failed at 35,000 feet they could have glided for many miles and possibly landed.

In the event of a complete engine failure, planes have a wind turbine that can is deployed to keep essential electrical and hydraulic systems workings, so they could still have used the radio.

You're also right that a large debris field suggests a mid-air explosion, whilst a compact debris field suggests impact.

It's all speculation, but my money would still be on some kind of pilot error.

Modern aircraft, especially on a carrier such as this, fail mechanically very rarely.

Yeah its called a RAT "Ram Air Turbine"

Originally Posted by Damien

There is no way this plane has landed. They would have found it by now. It must be in the sea somewhere.

Unless it was taken by the pilot to landing strip by the pilot for reasons unknown, after he turned off the transponder.

Originally Posted by Halcyon

The latest conspiracy is that family members are getting ringing mobile phones when they've tried to call passengers on the plane.

Is this normal for phones to do this?
I know that when I call people and their phone is off it either says the mobile you are calling is off or goes straight to voice mail.

Now this seems odd as normally all phones would be off as required by most airlines during flight.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-active.html

My question why are they not getting any signal from the Black boxes?

These are tough buggers, designed to withstand high impact speeds, battery life of 30 days minimum, though can be longer if conditions are right, plus they are activated when contact with water, or loss of power they switch to emergency mode.

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another reason it cannot be found it that it broke up and debris fell into the jungle which could swallow up any wreckage quite easily.

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http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Ma..._vanished.html

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Unless it was taken by the pilot to landing strip by the pilot for reasons unknown, after he turned off the transponder.

There can't be many places with a runway being enough to accommodate a 777, especially one where no one will notice that plane landing.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

There are suggestions that the plane turned back and would then have passed over land before more sea. Given that mobile phones still seem to be accessable it says to me that it may have ditched on land.

Never say never, but really?

No chance IMO.

They're all gone

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

My question why are they not getting any signal from the Black boxes?

These are tough buggers, designed to withstand high impact speeds, battery life of 30 days minimum, though can be longer if conditions are right, plus they are activated when contact with water, or loss of power they switch to emergency mode

Their range isn't massive though. You have to be in the general area of where the plane went down to have a chance of picking up the signal.

In this case, they have no idea where the plane is.

They found the air France black box after 2 years, and all the data was intact.

It will happen, they will find it. But I wouldn't try to pin a timescale on it.