ADSL : Virgin National closes to new customers

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Pierre

They already do to some level, it's a matter of degrees, and VM fill in a lot of holes for other providers.

They already provide backhaul of varying levels for Sky, Talk Talk, plus all the mobile operators.

As an amusing anecdote, our office is currently getting a leased line installed. We went with a group called HSo and after everything was signed off, found that they're going through Virgin to provide the link. Virgin, in turn, are going through BT to get the line installed in our office.


They all use each other when it suits them.

Hasen't that always been the case? Or did VM actually used to install LLs?

They always seem to quote BT lead time - they did when our old office had one something like 36 days?

[Kushan]

I have no idea, I have no experience with this. I just found it odd as Virgin actually has a presence in the area anyway.

That's fair enough

Well here's the UK business network.

http://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk...lw105-VRB.html

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by everyday

That's fair enough

Well here's the UK business network.

http://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk...lw105-VRB.html

Yeah, this is where the office is, roughly:



Amidst a sea of red!

Same or where I am - it's like a cross.

lol that looks like a person and you're yellow square is just under their nuts!

Makes sense for BT to do it - after all if VM could dig up places wouldn't they use it to their advantage and try to expand?

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by everyday

Same or where I am - it's like a cross.

lol that looks like a person and you're yellow square is just under their nuts!

That's one way to describe Warrington lol

Originally Posted by everyday

Makes sense for BT to do it - after all if VM could dig up places wouldn't they use it to their advantage and try to expand?

It's probably not that VM can't, just that they won't due to cost.

I read somewhere they also need permission where as BT have auto granted status due to the FTTC rollout.

Probably wrong but.. would make it all easier for everyone. I think it would be great if they worked together. Just a shame the FTTC kit was in and out.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Incorrect, the "fibre project" as it was called was fully fined and well under way with many exchanges fibred to and kit installed.

The whole project was then cancelled out of the blue, and the kit that was installed started to be removed.

This all happened exactly at the same time the BT Sport deal was announced. Make of that what you will.............

Sounds like typical short termism knee jerk reacting from exec's.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Evident.



Yes?


They were thinking a bit bigger than just FTTC. By having their own kit and own fibre they are able to freely control what services they provide. They were not just going to provide broadband off- net.

But maybe they should get you in as a business consultant.

maybe they should as he seems to know more than the idiots you guys got in place now.

Ok lets spend money installing equipment and placing fiber to exchanges, and then wait for it. sometime later spend more money ripping out the fiber and removing all that equipment again.

Wow what great business sense. Cable customers in congested areas will love hearing where the profits gets spent instead of making sure existing services are up to scratch.

So what commercial services can be sold using backhaul in an exchange aside from LLU adsl and GEA VDSL? If you going to answer this be clear and informative dont just say something vague like "you are dumb exchanges are more than just pop's for xdsl".

Not really a knee jerk reaction though. The fibre project was something that the previous senior team came up with. Tom and Liberty want to take the business in a different direction.

I have attended a couple of investor sessions where Mike Fries has spoken and it's pretty clear they want to grow VM and have a good idea on how they will go about that.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Not really a knee jerk reaction though. The fibre project was something that the previous senior team came up with. Tom and Liberty want to take the business in a different direction.

I have attended a couple of investor sessions where Mike Fries has spoken and it's pretty clear they want to grow VM and have a good idea on how they will go about that.

how is that then? or is it more posting tidbits with no bite on forums?

what you just said means nothing you havent posted anything of note.

also however which way you spin it, spending money to do something, and then spending more money to undo what you just did so quick is stupid. it may be the case cancelling the decision was correct, but that would mean the original decision was bad.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

how is that then? or is it more posting tidbits with no bite on forums?

what you just said means nothing you havent posted anything of note.

also however which way you spin it, spending money to do something, and then spending more money to undo what you just did so quick is stupid. it may be the case cancelling the decision was correct, but that would mean the original decision was bad.

Perhaps the new board do think the previous boards decision was bad and that's why they have back tracked. The new board haven't wasted any money as they didn't spend it.

Not sure what you are on about with the tidbits and no bite comment. Means nothing to me?

But if VM are giving Sky backbone then surely they wouldn't remove them from the exchange?

[Kushan]

I'm sure there's a distinction between removing VM's FTTC equipment and removing the backhaul stuff. Besides, that probably is marked as Sky's equipment and not Virgin's.

Yes but it still connects to VM's backhaul, which would not be removed.