BT Retail makes its unlimited products totally unlimited

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by ferretuk

• Unlimited - Download as much as you like but your speed may be throttled
• Truly Unlimited - Download as much as you like with no speed reduction (apart from the natural bottlekneck that is the low speed link from the ISP to the user). ISPs may use QoS type systems to optimise this link and provide the best service for their customer.
• Really and truly Unlimited (Honest) - Download as much as you like with no speed reduction (apart from the natural bottlekneck that is the low speed link from the ISP to the user). ISPs are not allowed to touch the traffic at all so if all falls apart for a user due the their own link being saturated, tough!

This seems to be the industry standard now, although it doesnt match up with the English Dictionary definition

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

This seems to be the industry standard now, although it doesnt match up with the English Dictionary definition

Not to mention the different definitions in the mobile data market too.

Note to ASA and Ofcom....read a dictionary!

[Chrysalis]

I think VM are now at risk from a ASA ruling.

Usually the ASA is leniant when the ruling would punish several isp's, but now we have gone from most people been on a shaped connection to really only talk talk and VM left. If talk talk follow suit I can forsee a joint complaint to the ASA from sky and BT about VM been unlimited with traffic management and the ASA may well uphold it.

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Originally Posted by Top banana

But if its bt why can't they do the same as bt?

They not using the same backhaul, its just owned by BT, and if you check craig's ping site most plusnet graphs are seeing some peaktime congesiton whilst BT ones are not. So from what I can see the higher priced BT services are meaning something. Plus plusnet are still classifying traffic on the network level, they just stating they dont expect it to ever kick in on prioritisation. They removed the hard throttles but still classify the traffic.

BT and sky dont classify traffic. (for new customers on BT).

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Virgin should never have been allowed to use the unlimited term after it introduced traffic management. Has made broadband ads misleading and confusing ever since. If network geeks argue over the meaning then what hope does Jo Average have?

With your last post Ferret, I think we have the first mutual agreement, even if in jest

Plusnet fibre is still the best choice out of the other isp's for an average user who is not interested in a tv package imo. I can see a lot of casual users taking up TalkTalk fibre for the price but its not going to be as reliable.

I agree plusnet will be tempting, especially as its a cheap way to get a proper static ip as well. Most FTTC isp's that offer static ip's are expensive.

[johnholmes]

Will be interesting to see how and if Virgin Media respond to BT.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by johnholmes

Will be interesting to see how and if Virgin Media respond to BT.

I doubt they will change much, still havent seen any result of the traffic management trial which has been going on for a couple of months

To be honest, they will probably just put emphasis on "unlimited" in their marketing

And if you were a senior member of the VM Marketing, Engineering, or Strategy departments, your comment may have a basis in reality.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by johnholmes

Will be interesting to see how and if Virgin Media respond to BT.

They won't offer a similar service. As much as their core network is supposed to be up o the job of more traffic, the local nodes and peering/transit points are not.

I don't think Virgin will react in any way to be honest. Might announce something new and release it 18 months later going by their usual advertising tricks. Might just release to the public Smartcall that they announced 3 months ago.

Whatever Virgin do its not going to be impressive or even comparable to BT's Unlimited headline.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And if you were a senior member of the VM Marketing, Engineering, or Strategy departments, your comment may have a basis in reality.

And if you understood English, you would understand that "I doubt" and "probably" was merely speculation

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Whatever Virgin do its not going to be impressive or even comparable to BT's Unlimited headline.

And l gather you are privy to Virgins boardroom and future plans then?.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by denphone

And l gather you are privy to Virgins boardroom and future plans then?.

Carl Waring, what have you done with Denphone? Your input to this discussion was what exactly?

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by denphone

And l gather you are privy to Virgins boardroom and future plans then?.

Please tell us then

I gather you dont know either

FFS, How old are you all ? Stop acting like children.

If you dont have anything useful to add to this discussion, I suggest you refrain from posting.

Several posts removed for being not only off topic but indulging in the childish behaviour that Paul M posted about yesterday.
Kindly stick to the topic and stop the baiting,flaming and trolling.
Kindly use the ignore function if you cannot adhere to these suggestions.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

Well Sky doesnt shape anything so Sky is even better than BT

According to the point of this thread, BT don't shape anything now either?

Apparently their product details page now indicates no shaping or management of any form, so I don't quite get what this "generic overall traffic management applied at peak times" is about? Doesn't make sense when BT claim "we won't place any speed restrictions no matter how much you upload or download, even at peak times "

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12

I doubt they will change much, still havent seen any result of the traffic management trial which has been going on for a couple of months years

[Chrysalis]

I can confirm glasnost now shows my connection as clean.

Also some reported on tbb BT were also throttling cloud service (including BT cloud) so I tetsed that also and was full speed clean.

Tests were done in evening peak.