Could this be the year of major problems

[Taf]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

yeah the poorest people struggling as it is has a rise under inflation meaning the minimum amount they need to live actually goes less far? really lucky aint they? Those who are really poor get poorer those that are not poor shop at Asda instead of Waitrose.

Some of you workers seem to think everyone on the dole is flush the reality really is quite different

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yeah man lets keep on doing what el gov want lets focus on the poor and sick and leave the rich tax avoiders alone its sweet that the spin works for them.

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some cases? did you not see the figures posted somewhere recently?


I will refresh. End of last year 2.52 million unemployed 476000 ( or similar figure its less than 500 000 ) ope jobs . 2 million people without a cat in hells chance of getting a job and you say a few are forced to live on JS. Please step into the real world because seriously you do not have clue about the reality of the situation. Also the figures are getting worse due to pretty much everyone moving from incap to esa having to end up signing on

Wake up and smell the coffee or please feel free to find 2 million jobs out of nowhere then your statement may be correct

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One council in Birmingham have already said the unemployed have to pay £200 towards CT

Here in Cardiff they have mentioned AT LEAST 10% of the annual bill for unemployed, disabled or those on ESA. One group may not have to pay though, war pensioners.

They even had to recall the Welsh assembly (spit) from their Xmas break to get it voted in. If they had not voted it in, EVERYONE would have been liable to 100% of the bill.

Originally Posted by martyh

For "us workers" having a guaranteed source of income that is guaranteed to rise is considered flush ,as opposed to working 12 hrs a day with no pay rise for years and the risk of losing your job and security at a moments notice



no idea what that is meant to mean



some cases? did you not see the figures posted somewhere recently?




There is no justification for JS levels to rise faster than wages ,none whatsoever

If you mean rise in line with inflation rather than faster yes there is. The government say that such and such an amount is the minimum to live on. Inflation rises 3% and the minimum does not grow the same then they are actually on less than they need to live on.

You workers on a decent wage ( I think the minimum wage is to low) or a living wage will be able to soak up a few quid a week a lot easier than someone with less money.

If you were to lose your job and struggle your views will most likely change

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Originally Posted by Taf

Here in Cardiff they have mentioned AT LEAST 10% of the annual bill for unemployed, disabled or those on ESA. One group may not have to pay though, war pensioners.

They even had to recall the Welsh assembly (spit) from their Xmas break to get it voted in. If they had not voted it in, EVERYONE would have been liable to 100% of the bill.

there would have been a hell of a lot of court cases if that would have happen. Might become a bailiff

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

If you mean rise in line with inflation rather than faster yes there is. The government say that such and such an amount is the minimum to live on. Inflation rises 3% and the minimum does not grow the same then they are actually on less than they need to live on.

You workers on a decent wage ( I think the minimum wage is to low) or a living wage will be able to soak up a few quid a week a lot easier than someone with less money.

If you were to lose your job and struggle your views will most likely change

What's with the "you workers" attitude, got a chip on your shoulder ?

I am pointing at you workers who have been brainwashed into thinking the unemployed are all scroungers and being Cameron's little sheep. You appear to fall into that group imo

I mean no offense but I have faced real hardship and poverty in my life and you just do not have a clue as to how hard it is. Some think the unemployed live the life of Riley but they do not it frustrates me and El Gov have the blame for the economy and the hardest hit by cutbacks as the poorest in the country and its wrong

[idi banashapan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYkl3XlEneA < some very scary stats in there. I know this is based around the current US economy, but bear in mind that the UK is currently further down the line in terms of the recessions than the US. it's a long video, but well worth watching.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I am pointing at you workers who have been brainwashed into thinking the unemployed are all scroungers and being Cameron's little sheep. You appear to fall into that group imo

I mean no offense but I have faced real hardship and poverty in my life and you just do not have a clue as to how hard it is. Some think the unemployed live the life of Riley but they do not it frustrates me and El Gov have the blame for the economy and the hardest hit by cutbacks as the poorest in the country and its wrong

I am fully aware that not all unemployed are like that but there are enough to be of major concern ,you assume too much ,you have no idea what i have done in the past to ensure i have supported my family and you have no idea what i am doing now to support my family.

I have been unemployed and i have struggled ,i have also worked for years seeing people who have never worked and have no intention of working bragging about how easy their life is on the welfare with everything paid for them including the windows i was fitting for them ,basically calling me a mug because i don't get to watch a 40" telly or go on the drink every weekend .I don't need the government to brainwash me i have seen it for years with my own eyes .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I am pointing at you workers who have been brainwashed into thinking the unemployed are all scroungers and being Cameron's little sheep. You appear to fall into that group imo

I mean no offense but I have faced real hardship and poverty in my life and you just do not have a clue as to how hard it is. Some think the unemployed live the life of Riley but they do not it frustrates me and El Gov have the blame for the economy and the hardest hit by cutbacks as the poorest in the country and its wrong

The fact you use a term such as "you workers", tells me all I need to know about you and your attitude.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The fact you use a term such as "you workers", tells me all I need to know about you and your attitude.

that would make you ignorant then would it not as you are making assumptions not based on any facts

Originally Posted by martyh

I would say that the evidence is staring us in the face ,maybe not in the form of figures and numbers of people jailed but the fact that benefit fraud is ongoing and persistent which in itself says that people have the perception that the system is there as an alternative lifestyle rather than a safety net .I and probably others here know teenage girls who have babies to get benefits and housing because they can't get jobs either because they don't want to or because of poor education ,it's a crackers system that invites fraud and misuse.

It's not staring in the face though is it? Maybe the perception is wrong, it's certainly not backed up by the data that we have. Maybe we're focusing on these minor issues so we don't have to face up to the bigger issues: pensions, health care, and elderly care.

It's still a lot of money but that isn't the only purpose of the welfare reforms .We have to get back to the idea that benefits are a last resort not a first call .I do however think that the government have not gone about a much needed change in the best way and in some respects have used a heavy handed approach .A change of perception in the system is what is needed not necessarily an enemy made of everyone on benefits

It's a drop in the ocean really. Small potatoes.

Also it cannot be justified to slam benefit claimants because of perception. Why don't we correct the inaccurate perception instead of pandering to it? (Obviously pretending that politicians care about another other than perception).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

that would make you ignorant then would it not as you are making assumptions not based on any facts

I'm making an assumption based on your rhetoric.

It would appear that you hold contempt for the working population of this country? either that or you are just very poor at expressing yourself via the written word.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm making an assumption based on your rhetoric.

It would appear that you hold contempt for the working population of this country? either that or you are just very poor at expressing yourself via the written word.

I made a full explanation as to who I mean't

I am pointing at you workers who have been brainwashed into thinking the unemployed are all scroungers and being Cameron's little sheep. You appear to fall into that group imo]

The root cause of the countries problems are mismanagement but the government use spin to distract the attention from them and put the blame on the weaker members of society. I hold in contempt those who will watch the poor get poorer and be pleased parliament is getting back a few quid of their hard earned tax when really if all tax loopholes were closed and immigration dealt with in a much much stronger way ( and leaving the EU removing the right for members to just work here)as well as expenses of the overpaid MPs the country would not be in as bad a mess as it is

While the focus is kept on clawing back pennies off the poor the rich are left alone and thats what those in power want because its the rich businesses who fund the political parties.

No one yet has said anything about the figures. 2.52 million unemployed less than 500000 jobs available tell me how can they all be workshy when there is only a few jobs to go around and the unemployment figures are going up with the ATOS interviews

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Interesting article..

Originally Posted by Maggy J

http://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/20...essed-by-them/

Interesting article..

Brilliant article I hope those who are constantly deriding the unemployed and using El Govs terms as skivers all read that and digest it. I fear though most will not want to see beyond the trees to find the wood

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Doesn't help when MPs are demanding more money, as they say they deserve it.

Thats a kick in the nuts if l have ever heard it.

"demanding" - you should be a leader writer for the Sun, Arthur....