Tuition fees may be uncapped (and other changes)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I doubt people will bother, what's the point of such a debt when over the course of an entire career you earn on average 100k more than some one with out a degree, just seems a shame that we can't find a happy medium where university isn't out of the reach of most or avaliable to all.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...k-1835911.html[COLOR="Silver"]

The sad thing is this is reinforcing the idea that the sole purpose of University is to achieve maximum income after you graduate. There are many graduates who go on to do work in areas where the earnings are not that much higher than other jobs. They just want to pursue a career in the field they have a passion for.

As you say, a lot won't bother now. If your choice of degree is not going to substantially compensate for the level of debt incurred why would you go?

I think the current system is a happy medium. We have to accept that Students should pay towards their education otherwise too few could attend. However this is already a pretty expensive country to get a degree in comparative to other countries, so making it worse is absurd. Society benefits from an educated work force.

Wont have anyone to make them though...

Can always outsource.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

As you say, a lot won't bother now. If your choice of degree is not going to substantially compensate for the level of debt incurred why would you go?

How can they afford to go more like.

I think the current system is a happy medium. We have to accept that Students should pay towards their education otherwise too few could attend. However this is already a pretty expensive country to get a degree in comparative to other countries, so making it worse is absurd. Society benefits from an educated work force.

I don't think it is a happy medium, far, far to many people are going and diluting the value of qualifications, still better that than what it'll be in a few years when it's far, far to few going.

Can always outsource.

Yeah I am sure North Korea or Iran will be happy to oblige...

Surprise Surprise! Most Universities are going to charge for full £9,000!

As the deadline arrives for universities to tell the Office for Fair Access what tuition fees they aim to charge, a Channel 4 News map shows that the majority are looking at the maximum of £9,000.

When the Government won the right to treble university fees in December, despite student protests across the country, Universities Minister David Willetts said the "absolute limit" of £9,000 would only be charged in "exceptional circumstances".

Our map shows an average cost of £8820.10 a year for students aiming for university and just six planning to charge less than £8,000: Southampton Solent, £7,800; St Mary's University College, Twickenham, £8,000; Anglia Ruskin University, £8,000; University Campus Suffolk, £7,500 - £8,000; Bishop Grosseteste University College, Lincoln, £7,500; and the University of Derby, £6,995 - £7,995.

http://www.channel4.com/news/most-un...0-tuition-fees

Also, if you select the 'cheaper' Unis. An awful lot are only a few hundred cheaper!

Cheers to Matt D for the link.

Originally Posted by Damien

Surprise Surprise! Most Universities are going to charge for full £9,000!



http://www.channel4.com/news/most-un...0-tuition-fees

Also, if you select the 'cheaper' Unis. An awful lot are only a few hundred cheaper!

Cheers to Matt D for the link.

It doesn't mean that will happen though ,they don't automatically get the right to charge £9000 ,they have to justify it and show a plan of how they will help the poorer students before they are allowed to charge that much

Originally Posted by martyh

It doesn't mean that will happen though ,they don't automatically get the right to charge £9000 ,they have to justify it and show a plan of how they will help the poorer students before they are allowed to charge that much

True. We have to see how many they approve but I am not holding my breath. Where will the government draw the line..

[cimt]

I've just heard on the radio that they're allowed to charge people different amounts even if they're on the same course. What's with that?

Originally Posted by Damien

True. We have to see how many they approve but I am not holding my breath. Where will the government draw the line..

Thats the main issue i think ,do we know what are the criteria ,will permission to charge that amount be based on number of scholarships granted and if so how many ?.If the gov take their eye off the ball with one then they are asking for trouble

[tweetiepooh]

It's all linked to the silly idea of getting 50% into university rather than 3-4 % and then a number to poly and to colleges and others direct to work for apprenticeships and similar.

Now we are stuck as many places have expanded to accommodate the extras and can't now go back to the smaller numbers when I went (early mid 80's).

The nation can't afford that number so the payment has to come from somewhere and the cost keeps going up.

Maybe more students need to do VSO or similar after graduating so never earn enough to pay back?

[Ignitionnet]

*Looks up a generation.
*Looks down a generation.
*Feels embarrassed.

I sincerely hope that the quality of the education some of these institutions are providing absolutely goes through the roof to ensure that the students at least get some kind of value for money.

But the problem is that the Universities aren't getting any more money (and in some cases, less).

The increased Student Loan fee money is just replacing the reduced/vastly slashed teaching grants and Capital grants.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But the problem is that the Universities aren't getting any more money (and in some cases, less).

The increased Student Loan fee money is just replacing the reduced/vastly slashed teaching grants and Capital grants.

Absolutely true of course Hugh but I was thinking of the perception from the students' point of view. Expectations are a bit different when you see the amounts going onto your own debt pile rather than never seeing the costs as they come from taxation directly.

Agreed - which is why most Universities are working with their (and the National) SU to put together a Student Charter, setting out responsibilities and expectations on both sides, and what and (more importantly for the student) what isn't included in the fee.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

*Looks up a generation.
*Looks down a generation.
*Feels embarrassed.

I sincerely hope that the quality of the education some of these institutions are providing absolutely goes through the roof to ensure that the students at least get some kind of value for money.

Well I'm sure these fees will focus a few minds on quality issues at some of these 'universities' and the fact that there just aren't enough high calibre jobs around for all the graduates being churned out will make many people think again I reckon. I don't think it'll be too long before the pendulum swings back to more vocational training, apprenticeships etc. and degrees etc. will be for the few not the many....