Inciting racial hatred to burn the Quran.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

For the love of a sky pixie. I wish people would all spell the koran / quran / qu'ran in the same way!!!

Just what *is* the right way to spell it?

Qu'ran is the correct way, from Arabic...

[Lew]

When translating from a non-Western script there can be many "right ways" depending on which Romanisation system is being used. It's not just Arabic, there are multiple ways of Romanising Chinese and Japanese for example, and the preferred system can change over time, hence koran/quran/qu'ran and moslem/muslim.

[nomadking]

No point trying to work out the correct spelling, as whichever one you choose will be called wrong and therefore offensive.

[Kymmy]

Either way the spelling isn't what the topic is about

Ok on topic and answering you directly Gary yes burning the qu'ran is wrong and should not be done by anyone as a sign of objection to whatever they feel islam stands for and the same applies to the bible or book of faith of any religion. If that is the level you descend too to make your point then in my mind you don't have a point to make and should just shut up and carry on being ignorant. Would i class it as racial hatred no i am not sure i would because as far as my limited knowledge of islam goes it is follwed by people from many races and cultures but it is inciting hatred becauase anyone doing it knows damn well what it signifies and what offense it is likely to cause and no one has the right to do that.

I am an atheist i don't believe in any of it but that doesn't mean the words of the qu'ran, bible or any other are less important then any other written work and people will place upon them the importance they wish and if they choose they can hate it, dislike it or anything else but don't be a knuckle dragger and destroy it in a pathetic petty attempt to oppose what you feel it stands for.

I'm against burning ANY book because what you are doing is burning the human imagination..I may not agree with what is between the covers of a book but I will defend to the death the right of anyone to write,own or read any book.

People who burn books in this symbolic way are trying to offend and are in some pretty loathsome company when they do so.Only in repressive regimes that abuse and ill treat their citizens do they approve of burning books.

[Peter_]

The thought of book burnings bring to mind the efforts of the Nazi regime when they tried to burn all books that did not fit in with their ideology and that is something we do not want to see in this modern age.

The are to many Muslim threads being started lately and the majority have only one intention and that is to fan the flames of distrust hopefully among the readers of these threads, but I think the vast majority have a mind of their own and refuse to swayed by these childish attempts at antagonism.

[broadbandking]

Which ever way you look at this, the burning of the quaran was a plot to upset muslims simple as that, I don't agree with it nor would I if I saw news about the bible or any other relgious book been burnt, there is other ways to protest your dislike for a religion, disrespecting the religion over steps the mark.

[nomadking]

But does that necessarily mean it's a criminal offence? Who gets to decide what is or isn't. There are lots of things that are offensive to groups of people, but they just have to put up with it.

Why should people be stopped from pointing out the all too often true bad points about certain groups. Why should those protected groups(or their members) be allowed to be immune from criticism, thereby giving a totally false and one-sided impression of that group.

[Gary L]

True nomad. we'll be having comedians arrested for telling jokes soon. if it was on the BBC we'd see the BBC charged for allowing it to be broadcast.

anyway, I think they won't be charged as they'll just say that it wasn't their intent to offend and as they've already said they don't know who put it on youtube.

so unless burning your own property whether it be a book or anything, is an arrestable offence. then they won't be charged.

Anyone surprised that youtube hasn't removed the video?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by nomadking

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Why should people be stopped from pointing out the all too often true bad points about certain groups.

Burning a book is how you point out its bad points? Seriously?

No.

Originally Posted by nomadking

But does that necessarily mean it's a criminal offence? Who gets to decide what is or isn't. There are lots of things that are offensive to groups of people, but they just have to put up with it.

Why should people be stopped from pointing out the all too often true bad points about certain groups. Why should those protected groups(or their members) be allowed to be immune from criticism, thereby giving a totally false and one-sided impression of that group.

Could you explain to me, please, how

pointing out the all too often true bad points about certain groups

can be equated with burning the qu'ran/bible/torah/etc?

Edit:just beaten to it by Russ.....

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Russ

Burning a book is how you point out its bad points? Seriously?

No.

At one point, a laughing man kicks what appears to be a Koran while his friends shout: ‘This is for the boys in Afghanistan. September 11, international burn a Koran day, for all the people of 9/11.

If it's not pointing out any bad points, then how is it inciting hatred, racial or otherwise. It would be the negative reaction from Muslims that would be inciting hatred against non-Muslims.

I think we need to look at this in context .The Bugle pub (where the incident took place) is a known meeting place for the BNP and other groups of that ilk .The people doing the burning are clearly of low intelligence as they have gotten themselves mixed up with race and religion ,are they protesting against Muslims ,terrorists or people from a different country that "don't look like what we do".People of this level of intelligence don't draw a distinction between muslims and people of a different colour they are different that is all they see ,as far as they are concerened all foriegners are muslims and terrorists .They also don't have the courage of their convictions hiding away behind a pub and posting anonymously on utube is not the best way to have a genuine protest .
Yes the police have every right to arrest these idiots imo they are quite clearly racist and trying to goad local muslims into trouble .Plus if the police look a bit deeper into their records they will probably find they are wanted for something or other

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by nomadking

.... It would be the negative reaction from Muslims that would be inciting hatred against non-Muslims.

Ah, its the old "don't blame the fuse, blame the dynamite" argument.

Nice try.