Political or Religious Hatred?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Gary, I would again draw your attention to the content of the article wherein it states that Mr Shah "refused to give an explanation for his actions".

As such, and without same, one cannot reasonably arrive at an opinion as to what the basis of his motivation was. Attempts to do so will only evidence a fundamental lack of understanding in relation to facts, reason, logic, consistencty and rationale.

It's the equivalent of trying to predict the future.

Oh, hold on there......

i would hazzard a guess that his refusal to explain his reasons for his actions were based on the fact that if he did then it would leave him open to prosecution on religious hate crimes or racist ones ..thought that was a given

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Rubbish. you can form an opinion on anything and everything. you don't need to hear the explanation beforehand from the person or persons.

"reasonably" Gary, "reasonably".

There is a difference.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Gary, I would again draw your attention to the content of the article wherein it states that Mr Shah "refused to give an explanation for his actions".

As such, and without same, one cannot reasonably arrive at an opinion as to what the basis of his motivation was. Attempts to do so will only evidence a fundamental lack of understanding in relation to facts, reason, logic, consistencty and rationale.

It's the equivalent of trying to predict the future.

Oh, hold on there......

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Perfect example of flawed logic.

Someone unhappy about and offended by someone expressing anti british sentiments attempts to undermine the argument by suggesting that the individual concerned, rather than limiting their activities to vandalism, should swan off to a conflict and attempt to kill british soldiers in an attempt to validate their argument.

You see what you did there? You obviously haven't really though that one out.

and you are obviously having a bit a trouble understanding peoples posts ,i'll try to be clearer

if this bloke feels so strongly about muslims being killed then he should go and support them in a meaningful way like fighting with them in the cause that they feel is worth dieing for ,this would show a bit of character instead of the cowadice he shows now

there's nothing flawed about that logic

[nomadking]

The CPS said Shah's offence could not be charged as a hate crime because the law requires that damage must target a particular religious or racial group.

But the BNP's membership policy didn't target a particular group. So, if you target more than one group you are ok?

If X attacks Y and they are different races, as long as X doesn't volunteer an explanation, it is not classed as racist?

Originally Posted by nomadking

But the BNP's membership policy didn't target a particular group. So, if you target more than one group you are ok?

If X attacks Y and they are different races, as long as X doesn't volunteer an explanation, it is not classed as racist?

that seems to be about it ,gotta love the vagaries of the British justice system ...or the cps's interpretation of them

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

and you are obviously having a bit a trouble understanding peoples posts ,i'll try to be clearer

if this bloke feels so strongly about muslims being killed then he should go and support them in a meaningful way like fighting with them in the cause that they feel is worth dieing for ,this would show a bit of character instead of the cowadice he shows now

there's nothing flawed about that logic

Thank you for the clarity - it confirms, and simply reiterates, exactly what I thought you said initially ie. that you'd rather he were off killing british soldiers in Afghanistan than offending their (and your) sensibilities by painting slogans on war memorials.

As I said earlier, it's a flawed logic.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Thank you for the clarity - it confirms, and simply reiterates, exactly what I thought you said initially ie. that you'd rather he were off killing british soldiers in Afghanistan than offending their (and your) sensibilities by painting slogans on war memorials.

As I said earlier, it's a flawed logic.

ok then ,have it your way if you must you're obviously much more inteligent than the rest of us

let him stay here ,breeding contempt for the country he lives in and graduating to blowing up buses and killing civilians

if that's your logic then keep it

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

... (and one has to wonder how the police came to have his dna before the offence was committed) ...

Interesting point.

I wonder if anyone on the forum thinks this use of DNA evidence was a violation of the man's human rights?

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Interesting point.

I wonder if anyone on the forum thinks this use of DNA evidence was a violation of the man's human rights?

i'm sure there will be a few

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Interesting point.

It's just that I note there is no mention, anywhere, of previous contact with the police oh his part. The fact that they already had his DNA to compare would certainly suggest they'd had previous interaction of some sort.

[the_neurotic_cat]

It's not worth getting upset over ... the Islamic community has it's fair share of bigotry and people of low intelligence.

Religion is an ancient form of government. It must be very difficult for Muslims with simplistic minds trying to live in a secular society, which is a form of government more advanced than religious doctrines. I'm sure this young man will grow out of it as his mind develops. If he doesn't, then I'm sure the authorities will develop an interest in him and his friends. He'll no doubt end up on some list in some computer file somewhere.

Many Christians have difficulty with secularism too. In fact, I imagine that all religious communities have people in them that feel threatened by an ethically complex environment such as the UK.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Mr A - don't get dragged down into the maelstrom of illogicallity and perverse reasoning that is the "World of Gary Lâ„¢".....

Here's a Venn Diagram that might help explain things.

You might get out, but you'll never be the same again....

I wish I could rep you for this, but I need to spread the love as such. I really laughed at the venn diagram, brilliant!!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

as distasefull as it is ,i rather think some EDL or NF members will want to have a little chat with this bloke

May well happen considering his full address appears on page 2 of the Google search re this story, guess he'll need police protection with the public'll end up footing the bill and I am betting that plays right into Tohsser Shah's agenda.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

May well happen considering his full address appears on page 2 of the Google search re this story, guess he'll need police protection with the public'll end up footing the bill and I am betting that plays right into Tohsser Shah's agenda.

agreed and i don't think Tohsser Shah would think twice before throwing him to the wolves to get want he wants

[PeteLockwood]

racial without a doubt, on a war memorial he could not have done anything more disrespectful and perhaps needs a bloody good sortin' out!